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calibob

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What I see is the main problem is responding to loaded (false) terms meant to be provocative and create a reactive response.

God did not "torture" Jesus, nor was He "tortured" for our sake <<<<<<<<< torture being a loaded term meant to provoke a equally loaded emotional response.
You nailed it.
 

theanointedwinner

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If I ever thought of making a bdf thread devoted to apologetics before

I realize that I don't have to

Welcome to "intro to apologetics"

ok, class
I want to direct your attention to

1 Peter 3:15 - revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

And hope that riven is expelled from this academic premise at the same time
 

theanointedwinner

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The first course in our curriculum: Learn to identify, and recognize "loaded term"

And how to correct such problem

We have quite a lecture on the importance of identifying loaded term, based on the mistake of not identifying it as such

However, @UnderGrace will be your professor on this subject

Whether homework will be graded or not, will be at her discretion
 
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If I ever thought of making a bdf thread devoted to apologetics before

I realize that I don't have to

Welcome to "intro to apologetics"

ok, class
I want to direct your attention to

1 Peter 3:15 - revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

And hope that riven is expelled from this academic premise at the same time
The "hope within you" is not apologetics

This is what the blind man stated "I was blind and now I see" :) now he was giving a reason for the hope within him
 

theanointedwinner

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Someone has their hand up

What's the question

The question is: is "sadist" or "sadism" a loaded term?

Excellent and very observant question
 

calibob

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I don't know why riven would use it as frequently as people should use manners
magenta thinks he needs convincing and is trying to semi intellectualize spiritual matters that can't be understood intellectually or without the Spirit. I think he's troll that wants attention and to anger us and waste our time. We both think he's angry at the concept of Christianity like an angry ex-catholic and needs help. I just wish he'd take it to the bible discussion forum where the theology debaters hang out and get away from here.
 

calibob

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The bible teaches us to go after lost sheep but also not to cast our pearls to the swine. She thinks he's a lost sheep. I think he's swine. All WE can do, is pray for him.
 

calibob

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We both took Briggs-Meyers personality tests and they came out very similar but her results showed she is more patient and introverted. It takes hours, some times days to make one of her beautiful panels I however am an extroverted crisis intervention counselor who seek results and resents wasting time on petty nonsense. That what brought us together and keeps us strong 2200 miles apart. The gecko near her signature represents me as the major collaborator for her work. A team takes various talents and each others strengths make up for each others weaknesses. We both took a personality test to see which church fellowship we are most like. We both came up as Quakers. There are some things about them we don't agree with. But she attends a compiled Mennonite/Baptist church and I checked out and agree with 99% of their doctrine. I even sent it to Decon to look at and give an opinion.
 

Ahwatukee

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I was a professing Christian once, but I never surrendered to Jesus. I think I never got to that stage because I was very concerned with the concept of accepting the torture of another human being, for the sake of myself.

What else can I say?
Good day Riven!

It's never too late to surrender to Him ;).

Remember the scripture which says: "God loved the world so much, that He have His one and only Son, that whosoever would believe in Him would not perish, but have everlasting life?" Well, look closely at that scripture, specifically at the part which says "would not perish." That promise is dependent upon believing in His Son. Therefore, those who die in their unbelief, will die without the blood of Christ covering their sins, which leads to that person perishing. There is no third choice!

I'm sure that there are some people who think that if they remain neutral that they will be exempt from God's judgment and its results. Or that if they do enough good works that they may tilt the scales. However, the fact is that scripture states that there is none righteous and that all have sinned. Scripture also states that the reward for sin is death, which is eternal separation from God in the lake of fire. Therefore, there are two possibilities:

1). Trusting in Christ as the One who provided salvation for you by the shedding of His blood and the promise of eternal life

2). Reject Christ and be held accountable for your own sins, which leads to separation from God in the lake of fire

By the way, your disagreement with God's righteous judgment, is not going to acquit you from the accountability of your sins, because scripture states that, "unless there is a shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness for sins." On the other hand, if you have faith in Christ, then He was held accountable for your sins and you will be acquitted.

I hope that your decision will be for Christ.
 

theanointedwinner

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Good day Riven!

It's never too late to surrender to Him ;).

Remember the scripture which says: "God loved the world so much, that He have His one and only Son, that whosoever would believe in Him would not perish, but have everlasting life?" Well, look closely at that scripture, specifically at the part which says "would not perish." That promise is dependent upon believing in His Son. Therefore, those who die in their unbelief, will die without the blood of Christ covering their sins, which leads to that person perishing. There is no third choice!

I'm sure that there are some people who think that if they remain neutral that they will be exempt from God's judgment and its results. Or that if they do enough good works that they may tilt the scales. However, the fact is that scripture states that there is none righteous and that all have sinned. Scripture also states that the reward for sin is death, which is eternal separation from God in the lake of fire. Therefore, there are two possibilities:

1). Trusting in Christ as the One who provided salvation for you by the shedding of His blood and the promise of eternal life

2). Reject Christ and be held accountable for your own sins, which leads to separation from God in the lake of fire

By the way, your disagreement with God's righteous judgment, is not going to acquit you from the accountability of your sins, because scripture states that, "unless there is a shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness for sins." On the other hand, if you have faith in Christ, then He was held accountable for your sins and you will be acquitted.

I hope that your decision will be for Christ.
Luke 5:8-10

Even though Peter said to Jesus, "away Lord, I'm too sinful", Jesus replied "fear not, I hereby promote you evangelist"

I paraphrased it
 

Ahwatukee

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Well okay, but that gift only came at a cost of someone being brutally mistreated & executed. But not just that, Christian's all over the world take joy that Jesus suffered for the sins of mankind.

I couldn't imagine wanting another person to suffer for any reason, so why do you?
These questions are not going to let you off the hook!

That fact is that, it was/is God's plan that Jesus should stand in our place, not that we wanted Him to suffer for us.

Christ shed blood is the only was that God could save some of humanity while staying within His word. What I mean is, God has been demonstrating from the very beginning that unless there is a shedding of blood there is no forgiveness for sin, which was ultimately pointing to Christ, the ultimate sacrifice. The righteous for the unrighteous.

This was demonstrated when Adam and Eve disobeyed God and were found wearing fig leaves. But what did God do? He went out and brought them back animal skins, which means that blood had to be shed in order to get them. The next example would be Cain and Abel. Cain offered some of his crops, where Abel presented the best portions of the firstborn lambs from his flock. Cain's offering was rejected, because it had nothing to with blood being shed. Abel's offering on the other hand, did have to do with the shedding of blood. Then we have the animal sacrifices, gifts and offerings set up in the Mosaic law.

All of these were a shadow of what Christ would accomplish by offering Himself up as the ultimate sacrifice. Without faith in Him, no one will inherit the kingdom of God.

Today is the day of salvation. Seek the Lord while He may be found.
 

calibob

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These questions are not going to let you off the hook!

That fact is that, it was/is God's plan that Jesus should stand in our place, not that we wanted Him to suffer for us.

Christ shed blood is the only was that God could save some of humanity while staying within His word. What I mean is, God has been demonstrating from the very beginning that unless there is a shedding of blood there is no forgiveness for sin, which was ultimately pointing to Christ, the ultimate sacrifice. The righteous for the unrighteous.

This was demonstrated when Adam and Eve disobeyed God and were found wearing fig leaves. But what did God do? He went out and brought them back animal skins, which means that blood had to be shed in order to get them. The next example would be Cain and Abel. Cain offered some of his crops, where Abel presented the best portions of the firstborn lambs from his flock. Cain's offering was rejected, because it had nothing to with blood being shed. Abel's offering on the other hand, did have to do with the shedding of blood. Then we have the animal sacrifices, gifts and offerings set up in the Mosaic law.

All of these were a shadow of what Christ would accomplish by offering Himself up as the ultimate sacrifice. Without faith in Him, no one will inherit the kingdom of God.

Today is the day of salvation. Seek the Lord while He may be found.
And it's a high, fly ball over the cheap seats into the parking lot. Grand slam for Ahwatukee. That's the best response I've read in months. Thank you for sharing sir.
 

Ahwatukee

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And it's a high, fly ball over the cheap seats into the parking lot. Grand slam for Ahwatukee. That's the best response I've read in months. Thank you for sharing sir.
The Lord knows that it is my pleasure! And God bless you for contending for the truth and accuracy of God's word.
 

calibob

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These questions are not going to let you off the hook!

That fact is that, it was/is God's plan that Jesus should stand in our place, not that we wanted Him to suffer for us.

Christ shed blood is the only was that God could save some of humanity while staying within His word. What I mean is, God has been demonstrating from the very beginning that unless there is a shedding of blood there is no forgiveness for sin, which was ultimately pointing to Christ, the ultimate sacrifice. The righteous for the unrighteous.

This was demonstrated when Adam and Eve disobeyed God and were found wearing fig leaves. But what did God do? He went out and brought them back animal skins, which means that blood had to be shed in order to get them. The next example would be Cain and Abel. Cain offered some of his crops, where Abel presented the best portions of the firstborn lambs from his flock. Cain's offering was rejected, because it had nothing to with blood being shed. Abel's offering on the other hand, did have to do with the shedding of blood. Then we have the animal sacrifices, gifts and offerings set up in the Mosaic law.

All of these were a shadow of what Christ would accomplish by offering Himself up as the ultimate sacrifice. Without faith in Him, no one will inherit the kingdom of God.

Today is the day of salvation. Seek the Lord while He may be found.
May I quote you please?