Born Again Speaking in Tongues

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1.There's no moment, past or future, when knowledge won't be required.

2.The perfect that makes the temporary to cease is love - it's written right there (1 Cor 13) and it is explained in 1 John 4. The perfect that was to come is loving one another and loving one another is knowing God.
So if the gifts did not cease, it means until now, we do not know God therefore don't love one another.o_O

3. Please stay close to your bible.
...in that same bible it SAYS,KNOWLEDGE WILL CEASE ALONGSIDE TONGUES.
So yes not only keep it close,but don't rewrite to hope the gifts will cease because someone says so.

Nice try though.
 

PennEd

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let me get this right you are using a sid Roth, Kenneth Copeland, and a lady who claims to be the great-granddaughter of SW? And you believe them when anything else they would say you would not accept? Do you think I'm stupid? First Off None of them were Eyewitnesses. The guy I got my information from New HIM personally and the books I read on SW tell a slightly different. However as I said The devil did not heal these people the devil does not raise the dead, you can not show in scripture were a demon healed anyone and after they did God was given glory for it. Nothing you show in this video proves anything that I have not already stated

SW had ignorance and a method that was not what many would have done but many people were healed and thanked God for it. You may not like what he did and attack a guy who is no longer here to defend himself go right ahead. he prayed for people in the name of Jesus, not the devil or a demon and they were healed. You say you don't believe HE was used to healing anyone yet you believe he hit people but won't accept what happened after he hit them. LOL you can't have it both ways guy.
It's clear you and others revere this man. I've made my points. I in no way "hate" S.W., Charismatics, Pentecostals, or ANY other person on God's green Earth. Sorry if I offended you.
 
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Sorry but your ideas are misguiding.
In emergency situations like this, one is required to pack a few essentials and move in the opposite direction as fast as possible; not babble.
When hurricane ivan hit pensacola i went into my backyard and rebuked the storm and refused any damage.
We had the only house on the street with no damage. Not a single shingle was gone.
The only thing I could find was a small hole in my deck where a branch went through the board.

You are wrong.
But if i was in your unbelief , I most likely would have suffered great loss like all my neighbors.

The fema guy gave me 2 generators a chainsaw, gasoline,and cash.
He asked about the damage to the house and i showed him the little hole.
He glorified God. He and i knew it was supernatural.
I serve a big,big God
 
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It's clear you and others revere this man. I've made my points. I in no way "hate" S.W., Charismatics, Pentecostals, or ANY other person on God's green Earth. Sorry if I offended you.
They did it to Jesus also.
Centered on anything they could to make him into a fraud.
Then,eventually,in their minds,they "proved" him to be so and killed him.

Pssst, they disenfranchised him. Inspite of the good he did.
Look real close at the trial.
None of his good works were considered.

You are on the wrong team friend
 

Noose

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When hurricane ivan hit pensacola i went into my backyard and rebuked the storm and refused any damage.
We had the only house on the street with no damage. Not a single shingle was gone.
The only thing I could find was a small hole in my deck where a branch went through the board.

You are wrong.
But if i was in your unbelief , I most likely would have suffered great loss like all my neighbors.

The fema guy gave me 2 generators a chainsaw, gasoline,and cash.
He asked about the damage to the house and i showed him the little hole.
He glorified God. He and i knew it was supernatural.
I serve a big,big God
1. So many people have lost their lives and property despite praying and praying in tongues
2. So many people (atheists) did not pray yet survived worse
3. So many people (satanists/muslims/hindus e.t.c) prayed to their gods and survived worse disasters

you are not special in any way.

4. You rebuked the storm yet it hit
5. Whatever happened is not proof of anything and if it must prove anything, it proves selfishness because you prayed for yourself and not your neighbors.
 

Noose

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...in that same bible it SAYS,KNOWLEDGE WILL CEASE ALONGSIDE TONGUES.
So yes not only keep it close,but don't rewrite to hope the gifts will cease because someone says so.

Nice try though.
Again, there's no time that knowledge will cease. The bible talks of gifts ceasing and the gift of knowledge is the supernatural knowledge given to the Apostles and members of the 1st century church - all of that ceased long time ago along with the other gifts.
 
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The unbelievers are The non Believing Jews of that time. Not unbelievers of the world today.
The flesh of a Jew was temporally used is used like that of the animals... other beast of the field created from clay . They were set aside in ceremonial laws used as shadows to preach the suffering of Christ (our bloody husband) beforehand and the glory that did follow .

(The first century reformation.) The shadows had become sight .The veil was rent indicating the end of that period of time which was used as a parable for the time period prior. had come to a end
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The retored government in regard to the period of Judges began it work using different ceremonial laws .. where a woman could be part of the ceremonies and not separated by a high wall.

The temporal things seen were used to represent faith the unseen holy Place of God. used to represent the things not seen . (2 Corinthians 4:18) They are used to typify the things of God. Like a lamb to represent (faith born again belief) or like a Ass used to represent unbelief. (no faith, zero ) The Lamb used to represent the Spirit of Christ it must be sacrified or men die in their unbelief (no faith)

When God mocked the faithless Jews that mocked him in unbelief day and night. God by bringing prophecy in a new manner called tongues mocked them. Jew flesh again were used to represent unbelief in "mankind" as well as a blessing. .

Not in respect to Jewish or gentile flesh. Its never about the flesh of one nation against another as if the kingdom of God did come by observing the temporal things seen ..

Today he uses Christianity in the same way, Not all Christian are Christians. Just as all Israel is not born again Israel as a inward Jew according to the unseen Spirit of God.

There are many signs and wonders seekers who do not walk by the exclusive faith of God …...needed to look to the temporal to give us the hidden spiritual meaning, the eternal . (not seen )

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
 

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It's clear you and others revere this man. I've made my points. I in no way "hate" S.W., Charismatics, Pentecostals, or ANY other person on God's green Earth. Sorry if I offended you.
no not offend I'm trying to understand what you are saying. LOL you are a good brother from what I have seen you say. You dish out and well as in. I respect you sir,
 

stonesoffire

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What Wigglesworth was hitting and punching was the evil spirits causing disease and death. In the cases of death, he was commanding by the authority given to the body of Christ (who will believe and operate in it) to rise from death.

It’s easy to misunderstand just by sight of the eyes when not seeing what’s going on in the Spiritual realm.

In the power of Holy Spirit there is no injury. If it does result in injury, it’s one acting on their own. So the results will prove who initiates the action.
 

stonesoffire

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1. So many people have lost their lives and property despite praying and praying in tongues
2. So many people (atheists) did not pray yet survived worse
3. So many people (satanists/muslims/hindus e.t.c) prayed to their gods and survived worse disasters

you are not special in any way.

4. You rebuked the storm yet it hit
5. Whatever happened is not proof of anything and if it must prove anything, it proves selfishness because you prayed for yourself and not your neighbors.
Jesus said healing is the children’s bread to a Samaritan woman but she had faith that He recognized. Would it not be the same scene for miracles? What happened was faith then is a sign to the neighbors that God hears and answers.

Did you think Jesus was selfish for rebuking the storm that was affecting His disciples and Himself? Or would you demand to know if all boats were saved?
 

posthuman

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Did you think Jesus was selfish for rebuking the storm that was affecting His disciples and Himself? Or would you demand to know if all boats were saved?
Jesus was sleeping through it.
He only rose up and rebuked the storm when His disciples, freaked out, woke Him up and fussed.
then He first chastised them for lacking faith before dealing with the storm.

what struck me about this anecdote is '
nuts, why didn't Lot think of that?'
lol
 

RickyZ

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Proper decorum would dictate that the person who asked first would be answered first.

But I'll answer. I don't believe for ONE SECOND that ANY of his supposed miracles were true. That is why it is so vitally important to focus on the method that he used to "heal" these people. We are told to pray over and lay hands on the sick. NOT to violently strike them and throw babies against a wall, and kick them. These methods INHERENTLY display that he is not operating under the H.S.

The antichrist will SEEM to have a mortal head wound but somehow be resurrected. Is that not a lying wonder?
The test of the spirits is not about the method, altho methods can be questioned. The test is, does the glory go to God? If the answer is yes it passes. If the answer is anything BUT God, it's fake.
 

stonesoffire

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I watched a video this morning where John Kilpatrick was explaining the shaking on a young woman during the Brownsville Revival. Holy Spirit was so strong and the message He placed on this young lady to the “body” was so strong of repentance, her body couldn’t help but respond this way. Is a powerful word she was given, and I remembered hearing this while watching on tv At home. This was the beginning of my personal revival and going after God with my whole heart.

Then just watching Jonathan Kahn and the word for 2019 I realized this shaking was a sign too. The sign of Holy Spirit getting us ready to fulfilling the purposes for the Lord that we were born, physically and spiritually for. We all have a specific purpose to fulfill, but the Bride must be about readying herself.

Shaking off the old and embracing wholly the Spirit of the Lord for when the fullness comes....we will change. We will contain Jesus fully for the Bride and the Bridegroom will become one. And move.

Not entirely seeing the whole scene yet but I now have the beginning view.

This video of Kahn also would put to rest this conflict of what it truly means to keep the commandments. It’s neither law nor unmerited favor. But, it’s do we love Him.
 

RickyZ

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What Wigglesworth was hitting and punching was the evil spirits causing disease and death. In the cases of death, he was commanding by the authority given to the body of Christ (who will believe and operate in it) to rise from death.

It’s easy to misunderstand just by sight of the eyes when not seeing what’s going on in the Spiritual realm.

In the power of Holy Spirit there is no injury. If it does result in injury, it’s one acting on their own. So the results will prove who initiates the action.
Duking it out with evil spirits? I think your knees, not your fists, are what's required.
 

notuptome

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I watched a video this morning where John Kilpatrick was explaining the shaking on a young woman during the Brownsville Revival. Holy Spirit was so strong and the message He placed on this young lady to the “body” was so strong of repentance, her body couldn’t help but respond this way. Is a powerful word she was given, and I remembered hearing this while watching on tv At home. This was the beginning of my personal revival and going after God with my whole heart.

Then just watching Jonathan Kahn and the word for 2019 I realized this shaking was a sign too. The sign of Holy Spirit getting us ready to fulfilling the purposes for the Lord that we were born, physically and spiritually for. We all have a specific purpose to fulfill, but the Bride must be about readying herself.

Shaking off the old and embracing wholly the Spirit of the Lord for when the fullness comes....we will change. We will contain Jesus fully for the Bride and the Bridegroom will become one. And move.

Not entirely seeing the whole scene yet but I now have the beginning view.

This video of Kahn also would put to rest this conflict of what it truly means to keep the commandments. It’s neither law nor unmerited favor. But, it’s do we love Him.
We cannot love Christ until we are saved. Christ loves us in our unsaved state but we do not nor can we love Him.

1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

It is all about unmerited favor. We are saved by grace and grace is unmerited favor.

Not a single person ever deserved to be saved. Every person deserves to be condemned for their sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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And where he taught, that speaking in tongues is the sign that someone is filled with the Holy Spirit ore baptised with the Holy Spirit?
Read the very next post # 330
also read books written by Smith Wigglesworth and John G. Lake and you will see that the original Pentecostal revivals all taught
speaking in tongues = baptism of the Holy Spirit = praying in the Holy Spirit.
 

stonesoffire

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We cannot love Christ until we are saved. Christ loves us in our unsaved state but we do not nor can we love Him.

1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

It is all about unmerited favor. We are saved by grace and grace is unmerited favor.

Not a single person ever deserved to be saved. Every person deserves to be condemned for their sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Roger, I have no issue with you concerning the grace of God. But, my post isn’t about salvation initially, but what occurs afterwards. Why do we obey? Kahn brings out the truth so no one should not misunderstand. Beacause we love Him. If you want to further explore this, watch the video. Then take it to the right thread. I found it on YouTube and it’s a word from God concerning 2019.

I was addressing what I believe the shaking that comes on some because of the power of Holy Spirit upon them as a sign. And why.
 

stonesoffire

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Wolf-wint

You may already know about this website but just in case. www.revival-library.org

Pre-1700 Revivals

Pre-reformation RevivalsIn studying the broad sweep of revival histories it is not difficult to concur with the eighteenth-century evangelicals’ view that ‘revival is the engine of history,’ the most powerful gift of God for the expansion of His church and for the renovation or reform of human society.

To quote Jonathan Edwards’, the first ‘theologian of revival,’ “Indeed, it is true to say that seasons of revival have always been the major means that God has employed to advance His cause and the cause of the church in the world."

"Though there be a more constant influence of God's Spirit always, in some degree, attending His ordinances, yet the way in which the greatest things have been done towards carrying on this work, always has been by remarkable effusions of the Spirit at special seasons of mercy..."

Students of revival today agree with these views but their conclusions are similarly based on historical records from the post-reformation period through to modern times. But what about the period between the first and the seventeenth century? Revival records before the Reformation appear scant and rare, not having the same impact and extensive influence as their later counterparts.

This scarcity of material may easily be explained. During the first four centuries the church was very often under siege from Roman persecutors and much Christian literature was hidden, lost or destroyed. After this the church entered what has become known as the Dark Ages for a thousand years, until the dawning of the light which led to the Reformation. There was a widening rift between the Spirit-filled religion of Jesus and an alternative Christianity which married various philosophies and pagan ideas to a ritualistic and clergy-dominated organisation. The spiritual fire simply went out!

Nevertheless, during this dark period there were ‘seasons of refreshing’ which occasionally fanned the embers of authentic Christianity. Though literature is in short supply there is sufficient data in the writings of the early church Fathers suggesting there were significant moves of God in the first five centuries, details of which can be found in the ‘Pensketches’ section of this site. There are occasional references to outpourings of the Spirit during the Dark Ages and the literature becomes more common as the light began to dawn in the 16th century. We plan to put much of this later material on the site shortly.



You may find more answers here.
 

wolfwint

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Read the very next post # 330
also read books written by Smith Wigglesworth and John G. Lake and you will see that the original Pentecostal revivals all taught
speaking in tongues = baptism of the Holy Spirit = praying in the Holy Spirit.
Thank you, I will read about Wigglesworth.