Revelation in Chronological Order?

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eternally-gratefull

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Literal words (literature) are used to convey spiritual meanings. The literal letter of the law kills .The spirit of the law heals and creates a new.

Prophecy provides the spiritual understanding of the Holy Spirit of God. . Parables are prophecy as one of the many manners like tongues another manner.

In the last day he spoke through the Son of man, Jesus …...another manner. The Son of man spoke through parables without parables he spoke not to believer and non believers alike . The whole period of Kings in Israel was set a side as a parable as well as a historical record . We Look through the temporal to give us the spiritual hope as our living hope.
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prophesy is for. It has a purpose, God even said so. And your taking it and taking its purpose and meaning out.
 

Ahwatukee

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https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/1-1.htm it says it was signified #4591 "having sent through the angel of him",,so he indicated it,,conveyed the Revelation through the angel(garee thinks it means something different) than the Greek experts....
That and for other reasons is why garee has been on my ignore list for so long.

However, I might add that, even though Jesus sent his angel to reveal this information, we also see Jesus interacting with John. For in Rev.1:17 John states that Jesus places His right hand on John telling him not to be afraid. And even though these are future events, we also see the four living beings and some of the elders interacting with John. It almost seems like a living vision, if I could coin that phrase.
 

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Hello iamsoandso!

It is obvious that Jesus, while still alive, was speaking of future events. He begins with quoting Daniel regarding the setting up of the abomination in the holy place, within the temple. He is simply revealing information about the future while He was still alive.

The Olivet discourse begins with the disciples question of "what will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age?" Jesus then reveals the details of that time period culminating with His return to the earth to end the age. The book of Revelation, for the most part, is a detailed account of all that is going to take place during the Olivet discourse, namely, God's wrath. He even mentions some of the seals:

Compare:
Then nation will rise against nation and kingdom (Matt.24:7)
The second seal rider on the red horse is given authority to take peace from the earth so that mankind kills each other (Rev.6:3-4)

There will be famines and earthquakes in various places (Matt.24:7)
The third seal rider on the black horse causes world-wide famine (Rev.6:5-6)

The seals are the beginnings of birth pains



This is an angel revealing these events to John in visions of heaven and the earth some forty years after the Lord's resurrection. In his vision, John sees Jesus represented figuratively as the Lamb revealing information to John in heaven regarding future events to take place on the earth.

In your second paragraph you see the disciples asking him about his second coming?
 
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prophesy is for. It has a purpose, God even said so. And your taking it and taking its purpose and meaning out.
Yes the purpose for prophets, those sent as apostles they are sent with the word of God "prophecy" moved to prophesy ….. declare prophecy the word of God. It brings his meaning into our minds and hearts and bring to remembrace the former things he has taught us. . .
 

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That and for other reasons is why garee has been on my ignore list for so long.

However, I might add that, even though Jesus sent his angel to reveal this information, we also see Jesus interacting with John. For in Rev.1:17 John states that Jesus places His right hand on John telling him not to be afraid. And even though these are future events, we also see the four living beings and some of the elders interacting with John. It almost seems like a living vision, if I could coin that phrase.

I don't have garee on ignore,I kind of like garee he seems like he believes what he thinks and that he's tryng to make sense of the Scriptures the same as all of us,,,I just see it different from him.
 

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Yes the purpose for prophets, those sent as apostles they are sent with the word of God "prophecy" moved to prophesy ….. declare prophecy the word of God. It brings his meaning into our minds and hearts and bring to remembrace the former things he has taught us. . .
Garee, could you please try to stick on topic?
 
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That and for other reasons is why garee has been on my ignore list for so long.

However, I might add that, even though Jesus sent his angel to reveal this information, we also see Jesus interacting with John. For in Rev.1:17 John states that Jesus places His right hand on John telling him not to be afraid. And even though these are future events, we also see the four living beings and some of the elders interacting with John. It almost seems like a living vision, if I could coin that phrase.
I would a agree a living "signified vision" if I could coin a phrase...... a parable.

If you would look it seems clear the word reference to "signified" ….by iamsoandso as to its meaning was not given. He avoided the meaning and suggested it was sent which I was already in agreement that it was sent. A non answer I would think. .

It spoke of sending it but not what kind of semantics used to signify that which is sent..... the hidden Manna spoken of in chapter 2?
 

TheDivineWatermark

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I'm a bit confused with your post but this was my simple Q in the OP...

"Starting around Chapter 6, can anyone try to lay out Revelation in chronological order? "
Yes, I responded to your OP in an earlier post (Post #10),

...this post ^ (you are/were quoting, of mine) is in response to your follow-up Question (regarding my other post), where you are asking about "So how do the seals fit in with the rest of Rev? That would be a start." My quoting of a post I made long ago was an effort to keep from having to re-type a bunch of the same explanation.

Sorry if it confused you or you didn't feel addressed your specific question regarding "how do the seals fit in with the rest of Rev?"

(I'm simply saying that they "kick off" [INITIATE] the 7-yr period [and parallel/equal "the beginning of birth PANGS]"].)
 
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Garee, could you please try to stick on topic?
Could you please help me understand where I went off?

I answered a question? Do you agree. The purpose of prophecy is to declare the will of God.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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I'm a bit confused with your post but this was my simple Q in the OP...

"Starting around Chapter 6, can anyone try to lay out Revelation in chronological order? "
Oops... and I forgot to say (in my last post) that I had prefaced my quoting of my long-ago post with the words:

[at TOP of post, I said]
"[quoting my previous post (note: different convo context, but hopefully you can see what I believe are the EQUIVALENT of "SEAL #1")]"


...so the ending of that old post of mine (the part you quoted) was addressing a DIFFERENT [old] convo, lol, not DIRECTLY to your OP. (It was just part of the old post I was quoting, to save typing :D )


Your Post #22 was asking about the "SEALS"
 

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Could you please help me understand where I went off?

I answered a question? Do you agree. The purpose of prophecy is to declare the will of God.
Yes, but try to answer this question posed in the OP...

Starting around Chapter 6, can anyone try to lay out Revelation in chronological order?
 

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I am sorry, I do not know what that means. I seem to be thought many different "names" and I have no idea what they mean either. I told myself a long time ago, when I get through studying the Word, then I will have time to see what "men" have been doing with it and how it's been divided up. I can thank God I am a slow learner because I don't think I will ever get there because it is something I never want to be a part of anyway. I just read and study and what I get from the Word, I pray is truth before I share with another. I have had many things pointed out to me that lead me once again deep into the Word, and at some point will receive a "correction". Best times for me to study. So I hope it is good, for your wifes sake to, but no need to explain. Thank you
It doesn't mean anything. I was just trying to be amusing by linking the word 'advent' to Adventist. My wife is a Seventh Day Adventist. I'm sorry to take away from the seriousness of your post by my attempt at humor. By the way, I don't consider you to be a slow learner but rather a serious student of God's word as found in scripture.
 

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In your second paragraph you see the disciples asking him about his second coming?
Yes, that is correct. After Jesus tells them about the destruction of the temple, they ask Him what will be the sign of His coming and the end of the age. To be clear for the sake of anyone reading that may not know, the end of the age is when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, which will take place after God's wrath has been completed, more specifically after the 7th bowl judgment.

The Lord's physical and visual return to end the age is depicted in Matt.24:29-31 when all of the inhabitants of the earth will see Him arriving on the clouds of heaven with great power and glory. This is synonymous with Rev.1:7, with a detailed account being found in Rev.19:11-21.
 

Ahwatukee

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I don't have garee on ignore,I kind of like garee he seems like he believes what he thinks and that he's tryng to make sense of the Scriptures the same as all of us,,,I just see it different from him.
The problem is that, not only does he believe it, but is teaching those things and that is the problem. If you're trying to make sense of Revelation and end-time events, then you shouldn't be teaching it.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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Yep R13 is a puzzle because the wrath comes as punishment for the crime of worshiping the image and receiving the mark hence the crime is committed and then the wrath.
Yeah, my view [see my "depictions" in Post #19] is that Rev14:10 is not saying this is when "the wrath of God COMMENCES [arrives to begin]," but that (as it ['wrath'] has been unfolding since Rev4-5-[6], when Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE") this later section is referring specifically to the Vials [commencing 3/4 of the way through, approx], and which, of them [the Vials], it is said, "for IN THEM the wrath of God WAS COMPLETED" (not, 'is STARTED') and aka "the seven LAST plagues" (not the first [moments] of them). I believe the wrath of God is what Jesus is unleashing when He will "STAND to JUDGE" (Rev4-5; Isa3:13; and 2Th2:7b-8a which wording sounds equivalent to that of Lam2:3-4, in a context where "wrath" words are also referred to, in vv.1-7 or thereabouts, IOW, the "enemy" being unleashed IN THIS LAM2:3-4 context IS His wrath [equivalent Seal #1]).

I believe the words "the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation," that this "without mixture" means [something along the lines of] "full strength" (aka "for IN THEM the wrath of God WAS COMPLETED" [not speaking of the first moments of His wrath (unfolding), which were less than "full strength" (earlier in the trib years) and which were geared toward the goal of causing repentance/a change of mind concerning the Messiah/Jesus Christ]--by the point in time of the Vials, the mark has been taken [by some], i.e. it's all over for them! [no "repentance" happening, for these])
 
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Yes the purpose for prophets, those sent as apostles they are sent with the word of God "prophecy" moved to prophesy ….. declare prophecy the word of God. It brings his meaning into our minds and hearts and bring to remembrace the former things he has taught us. . .
Prophesy is used for one purpose.

To prove to the world God is god.

WHich means it MUST be taken literally. Otherwise, it is uselss