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In fact, the biggest Christian denominations on Earth accept evolutionary theory. The same way they accept that the planets are spherical, that the sun is a star, and that the Earth orbits the sun.

Requiring children to learn it opposing their parents religious beliefs is a violation of separation of church and state especially since evolution is a lie that contradicts the truth of creation..

What separates modern man from the primates that inhabited this planet before man was created is the prefrontal cortex. No other species has it.

I have no quarrel with that. I have read Ecclesiastes.

Which born agian, fundamentalist, full gospel, Holy Spirit believing, denominations. Believe in evolution?

the prefrontal cortex is something we can be thankful for

that's the neocortex, right?

if even the bible is doubted because it's spiritually discerned, then the debate becomes fruitless

for what possible fellowship does light have with darkness? and this debate is arguably fast paced toward fruitlessness

almost right, the neocortex is part of the prefrontal cortex the neo part is for sight, smell tste and hearing the prefrontal is where executive thinking, decision making, MATH and our creativeness resides. Birds can whistle a tune, monkeys and dogs can hum but only man can compose an opera.

Occam's razor is a problem-solving principle attributed to William of Ockham (c. 1287–1347), who was an English Franciscan friar and scholastic philosopher and theologian. The principle can be interpreted as stating Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected
Big bang vs God? God seems more likely

Psalms 139:14 indeed

and God is even more incredible "for you know my thougths before even my prefrontal cortex speak them" Psalms 139:4

Before a word is on my tongue you, LORD, know it completely (NIV version)

The separation of church and state forbids the preference of the state for a particular religious affilitation. Evolutionary theory is not a religion: it is a scientific theory of factual information, like gravitational theory or special relativity.

I assume you would not oppose the teaching in state schools of fundamental human biology; chemistry; the theory of gravity; the theory of special relativity; the standard model of chemistry etc? Because that would be ludicrous. So, unless you actually strive for the USA to become a nation of scientific illiterates (thereby completely and utterly destroying its economy and industry), I would be very careful what you wish for.

Most Christians whom I have met do not oppose the teaching in state schools of fundamental human biology; chemistry; the theory of gravity; the theory of special relativity; the standard model of chemistry et al. So why evolutionary theory?

Anti-intellectual movements are fundamentally dangerous. They like to start small (subtle moral challenges to established science) but before long it burgeons into a different kettle of fish altogether: an anti-vaccination movement causing the deaths of children and the outbreaks of diseases previously considered to be effectively eradicated; a climate science denial movement that goes against everything we know and threatens the stability of our planets ecosystems; anti-evolutionary movements that serve to alienate people from the scale of a variety of issues and the science behind a variety of other sciences (planetary physics; geology; paleontology; climatology etc); and perhaps most caricaturish of all: the flat Earth movement.

I find it incredible that there are people so hostile to factual information.

I oppose atheism and agnosticism vehemently! I also think it should be up to the parents to decide about when a child should or shouldn't learn sex education or lies like the big bang or string theory. Homosexuality and premarital sex are not OK.

I think the separation of church and state goes both ways and prevents the government from forcing us to do things that are against our religion or belief system. I think parents should have a consent form to sign before our children are forced to study evolution or sex before they reach a reasonable age like 16 at least. I think 16 is liberal because premarital sex is a sin as bad as homosexuality and evolution is an antichristian lie!

Here they call me a liberal!

I don't oppose teaching any of those thing to adults. Shouldn't the parents decide what the children learn. The way you are proposing agnosticism would be normal.

You obviously have a different definition of 'Christian' than most of us. Christians are born again and have dedicated the rest of our lives to serving Jesus the Christ from the tribe of Judah. He is the living son of God. He allowed himself to be crucified for us, in our stead, as a blood sacrifice for our sins.

He came out of the tomb the third day after being executed.
He was lifted into heaven and is returning for us who believe, to resurrect the dead and judge the remnants of this fallen world. Anybody that dosn't believe those few basics isn't a Christian!

That's your right, obviously. I support your right to oppose ahtiesm and agnosticism vehemently. It's the law that you are allowed to have your beliefs, and rightly so. However, I have not previously even mentioned atheism or agnosticism. I have only been talking about scientific theories. One does not have to be an atheist to be a scientist.

I agree, with an element of common sense. There comes an age (I would say around puberty) where it benefits a child to learn about some sexual matters: contraception, or consent, or where babies come from, for example.

I remember reading a story a few years ago about a young girl who got her first menstrual cycle. Her parents had been extremely strictly religious to the point that they did not teach her about these things out of the idea that it was dirty or wrong. She started bleeding, and didn't know why. The thought that she might be dirty, or broken, or sick, frightened her so much that she committed suicide. For me, we as a society have a duty to prevent that.

String theory is quite speculative, and I highly doubt most kids would even understand it if it was taught. But the big bang is something that we can actually see in the cosmic background radiation. That's not to put any political slant on it: it's simply a visible phenomenon that the universe is expanding from a singular point.

Again, that's your prerogative. This is a political and/or ideological statement. Science isn't politics. Your political and/or religious beliefs have no impact on scientific observation/data/theory etc, and nor do my political and/or religious beliefs.

I don't think that's how it is worded, but you're welcome to make the case.

Would you support the same consent form for another person's children not to be exposed to or taught any religious beliefs before a similar age?
Honestly, if you would, great. It shows fairness of character. But I would caution you this: you might find the kids with less strict parents will end up economically and academically outperforming your own children by a significant and consistent margin.

Again, you're completely entitled to your beleifs.

I can't find any reason as to how evolutionary theory could be considered findamentally anti-christian, in the sense that it was deliberately manifest as an opposition to Christian beliefs. There are plenty of Christian evolutionary theorists, in fact Charles Darwin was one of them! He didn't want to publish his findings, because he didn't want to challenge or cause people doubt in the veracity of their religious beliefs, as he had himself experienced. He was encouraged by his friend to publish because they thought it was too important a discovery for the world not to hear.

Lol! In a variety of ways, I guess you are!

Thanks for your honesty,

All the Christians I know, that accept evolutionary science, believe exactly as you've just said. That their life is God's, that Jesus is the son of God, that he was crucified to serve as offering for the sins of humanity; that he was resurrected, that he was lifted into heaven etc.

In fact, isn't that what nearly ALL Christians believe? Isn't that like, the definition of a Christian?

Being a Christian isn't a club, or a political party. It isn't something a person can be born into. Rather it is a decision that must be made at or after the age of accountability. Failure to accept is the same as denial. But the person is given a fair chance to accept as long as they live. There is no punishment for being slow to respond as long as we accept the truth that Jesus is Lord.

The reason I picked 16 for sex Ed, with parents permission, is because 16 is about the age for puberty for boys and 2 years before the age of consent for either. Even with consent sex before age 18 is still rape.

I don't know any Christians that don't believe that Adam or Eve weren't created by God from the dirt, without human parents. We believe they were created by God.

The purpose of life is to worship God, not to make money.

Is the Bible the most important book ever given to man or not?

On average, puberty usually occurs for females at age 11, while for boys it is usually at age 12. However, it can occur anywhere from ages 8 to 14. Before or after these ages is very rare, but it does happen.

16 in most of the world.

I don't know any Christians who believe otherwise, either.

Again, totally entitled to your belief. I personally don't believe the purpose of life is to make money, either.