Was Adam and Eve a newer creation than genesis 1?

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UnderGrace

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I never assumed anything

Theories are that, Theories. Based mostly on speculation, If they were based on FACTS they would not be called theories

There are three general theories about the age of the earth

Gap theory

Hydroplate theory

Plate tectonic theory.

I can no longer hold to the GAP theory, because the evidence I believed in most of my life has slowly crumbled and is no longer sustainable.
Theories are not speculation.
Theories are based on empirical gathered data
In science a theory describes an explanation that has been tested and widely accepted as valid

I do not even know how to respond to such a statement.... except to be shocked.:eek:

Wow, my son spent an entire year in the lab to publish one paper and let me tell you speculation has nothing to do with science...."Hypothesis" YES........ a world of difference.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Theories are not speculation.
Theories are based on empirical gathered data
In science a theory describes an explanation that has been tested and widely accepted as valid

I do not even know how to respond to such a statement.... except to be shocked.:eek:

Wow, my son spent an entire year in the lab to publish one paper and let me tell you speculation has nothing to do with science...."Hypothesis" YES........ a world of difference.
Lol

No. If they were based on fact, they would not be considered a theory, (it used t be theory was based on 30% or less fact. I am not sure what the guidelines are today) but for this reason, Evolution is still scientifically considered a theory. And you think that is based on fact?

This is what I mean when I say you have the oddest way of trying to explain away things you disagree with. Which make no sense.
 

stonesoffire

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Why not ignore the ignorant scholars, and focus on what the Lord had to say about the Torah? He called it "the Law of Moses", or just "Moses", and there was no doubt in anyone's mind that Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible.
Was going over the posts and had a thought...

Nehemiah, did you ever wonder what Jesus was discussing with the Jewish leaders of His time at the age of 12 that astonished them so much at His wisdom?

Perhaps we should pay more attention to the scholars.
 
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Lol

No. If they were based on fact, they would not be considered a theory, (it used t be theory was based on 30% or less fact. I am not sure what the guidelines are today) but for this reason, Evolution is still scientifically considered a theory. And you think that is based on fact?

This is what I mean when I say you have the oddest way of trying to explain away things you disagree with. Which make no sense.
fyi .... a theory is an explanation of why and how things happen. For gravity, we use Einstein's Theory of General Relativity to explain why things fall.

Explain things away ..... too funny you are the one that stated radiocarbon dating has been debunked. LOL
 
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eternally-gratefull

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fyi .... a theory is an explanation of why and how things happen. For gravity, we use Einstein's Theory of General Relativity to explain why things fall.

Explain things away ..... too funny you are the one that stated radiocarbon dating has been debunked. LOL
Lol

Remember,

According to science, the THEORY of evolution is real


Your too funny..
 
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UnderGrace

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Lol

Remember,

According to science, the THEORY of evolution is real


Your too funny..
Of course because they have data and information that supports parts of the theory, and there are many facets to this theory so it depends which part.
 

calibob

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That is not what is being spoken of. Because GOD TELLS US HE DID NOT CREATE IT "TOHU" IT BECAME THAT WAY. AND this is what they are willingly ignorant of. Satan WAS ALREADY BAD IN THE GARDEN. When did THAT HAPPEN. When did Satan Go Bad? When did GOD create Him? When did Satan draw 1/3 of Gods Children? WHEN did GOD cry destruction upon destruction and there WAS NO, not one, definitely not 8, NO MAN, yet not make a full end? WHEN DID He make the Heaven BLACK? And the earth standing in the water?

If He created it to be inhabited, and it was, and all the sons and stars sang and shouted, and Lucifer/Satan was good but went bad and God got mad and He says He destroyed it to the point there was NO MAN, and He turned the heavens black, yet did not make a full end, and then in GEN 1 2 we read "it was void and without form" and He had to light it up and when He did and when the waters were separated THE LAND APPEARED because it was already there.

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Isaiah 45:19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.

Isaiah 45:20 Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.

Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me;
The subject I was bring up was not the Gen 1 creation story bit the division between Gen 1 and gen 2 after god rested. @Magenta was correct I mot certainly was talking about modern being a continuation after gen 1. We even have fossil records to prove that modern man came after the Cro-Magnons and Neanderthals. According to Genisis there was no sun moon or stars till the fourth day. Obviously 'day' cannot mean a 24 hour cycle of daylight and darkness. Just a general reference point like bullets on an outline. We even say things like 'back in the day we had 8 tracks.'
The Lord said>
2 Peter 3:8 New International Version (NIV)

8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

And we look foreword to two more creations. First after the resurrection of the dead and Battle of Armageddon and the second after the White throne judgement>

International Version REV, 21:1
Then I saw "a new heaven and a new earth," for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

God's not done creating yet, not by a long shot!

Psalm 51:10,
New International Version
Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Of course because they have data and information that supports parts of the theory, and there are many facets to this theory so it depends which part.
Which just proved my point , it appears to support PARTS of the theory. It does not prove the theory at al. Which is what I said.

Thank you.
 

DeighAnn

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The subject I was bring up was not the Gen 1 creation story bit the division between Gen 1 and gen 2 after god rested. @Magenta was correct I mot certainly was talking about modern being a continuation after gen 1. We even have fossil records to prove that modern man came after the Cro-Magnons and Neanderthals. According to Genisis there was no sun moon or stars till the fourth day. Obviously 'day' cannot mean a 24 hour cycle of daylight and darkness. Just a general reference point like bullets on an outline. We even say things like 'back in the day we had 8 tracks.'
The Lord said>
2 Peter 3:8 New International Version (NIV)

8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

And we look foreword to two more creations. First after the resurrection of the dead and Battle of Armageddon and the second after the White throne judgement>

International Version REV, 21:1
Then I saw "a new heaven and a new earth," for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

God's not done creating yet, not by a long shot!

Psalm 51:10,
New International Version
Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me.
I am sorry, I misunderstood, I think I got you now. Your are studying between the 6th day creating of man and woman and the 8th day forming of the Adamic Bloodline. I hope I have not gotten it all wrong again, If I have I will just apologize now, and move on.

But I do 100% agree with you that there will be an "end of one age beginning of another, big change" at the 2nd Advent and/or Jesus return (end of flesh) and again, at the end of that day, The Lords Day and/or Millennium, how ever you phrase them, and there will be a humongous amount of change, mostly earth change.
 

calibob

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I am sorry, I misunderstood, I think I got you now. Your are studying between the 6th day creating of man and woman and the 8th day forming of the Adamic Bloodline. I hope I have not gotten it all wrong again, If I have I will just apologize now, and move on.

But I do 100% agree with you that there will be an "end of one age beginning of another, big change" at the 2nd Advent and/or Jesus return (end of flesh) and again, at the end of that day, The Lords Day and/or Millennium, how ever you phrase them, and there will be a humongous amount of change, mostly earth change.
We are on the same subject now. I think the words "This generation shall not pass away" refers to the descendants of Noah meaning us.
 

Magenta

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Was going over the posts and had a thought...

Nehemiah, did you ever wonder what Jesus was discussing with the Jewish leaders of His time at the age of 12 that astonished them so much at His wisdom?

Perhaps we should pay more attention to the scholars.
I believe He was discussing Scripture with the Jewish leaders :)
 

DeighAnn

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We are on the same subject now. I think the words "This generation shall not pass away" refers to the descendants of Noah meaning us.
The generation that shall not pass away is the generation of the fig tree. It is one of the things Jesus TOLD us to LEARN. The parable of the fig tree which covers the scattering in 70ad to wander the world and the returning in 1948 with the nation of Israel, where both the good and the bad figs were planted.
 
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we agree with several posts, that Genesis is just showing yet another angle of Genesis 2 -
this is 'common Hebrew-literary-technique' -
many verses and passages often say the same thing in different words -
it's called parallelism and chiastic structure...
 
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Wag,
hub and I respect your right to disagree with our analysis, but we would never
give anyone an (x) because of this, and never have or will, it is very childish and un-kind...
 

DeighAnn

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Wag,
hub and I respect your right to disagree with our analysis, but we would never
give anyone an (x) because of this, and never have or will, it is very childish and un-kind...
Is the red X something really bad around here? Doesn't it just mean you disagree with a point of view? Are they counted again us some way? Are there any others I really need to watch out for? Is there an etiquette page somewhere?