Is God All-knowing?

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Nehemiah6

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There are certain things only the father knows/knew. I don't know if now Yeshua's knowledge is perfect regarding what the father will do or if it literally is like a father son relationship where the son is fully submitted and obedient and will carry out when the time is at it's fullness. Not sure...it's actually kind of an interesting topic if you really think about it.
While Christ was on earth in His humiliation, He was fully and voluntarily subject to the Father. And God the Father will always be the Head or Authority over Christ (1 Cor 11:3).

What we all need to understand in this context is that following His resurrection, the Father has given ALL POWER AND AUTHORITY in Heaven and on earth to the Son. Which means He has absolute knowledge of all things, and it is the Father's will that every knee should bow to Christ (in Heaven, on earth, and under the earth).

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. (Mt 28:18)
 

posthuman

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The Doctrine of Christianity teaches, God Is All-Mighty, All-Powerful, Eternal, perfect being. and obviously stuff like God cannot contradict itself and much more.
So let's read what Bible says about this.
Even though I have much more verses to present, I would rather rely on one verse to challenge the doctrine of Christianity, or I should say, Doctrine of Trinity given the fact that non-Trinitarians also exist. So
Mathew 24:36
"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. "
So basically no one knows except father. Jesus, God The Son, doesn't know about it.
May I ask All the Christians here, why God The Son doesn't know about it?
When Answering the question, please, please apply the same rule you explain for Jesus to the Holy Spirit.
in a traditional Jewish betrothal ceremony the Father of the Groom sets the day and hour that the Groom will come to snatch away the bride, typically in the middle of the night - and it is kept secret. even though the Groom may actually know - and probably does, as any good Father would tell His Son so that He might be ready - it is customary that the Groom, whenever asked about it, says "no one knows the day or the hour but My Father"

there are 12 steps to the ancient Hebrew betrothal ceremony. Christ uses betrothal language very often, and if you understood this, you would open up a number of His parables, like that of the virgins and the oil, to see that they are all speaking about the mystery of Him and the Bride that He purifies for Himself.
 

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Philippians 2:5-8. Vs5, why doesn't Holy Spirit knows of the hour?
in Revelation 19:12 it is written that Jesus has a name written on Himself that no one knows but He Himself.

does God not know this name?
 

posthuman

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May I ask All the Christians here,
may i ask all the Muslims here,

is Jesus good?
or is He evil?

Jesus says "
no one but God alone is good" -- so if you call Him evil, why do you blaspheme not only Christ, but the Koran also which tells you to respect Him? and if you call Him good, then He is God - so why do you accept the Koran, which lies and says He is not? how can you call Jesus good, yet not believe Him?
 
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may i ask all the Muslims here,

is Jesus good?
or is He evil?


Jesus says "no one but God alone is good" -- so if you call Him evil, why do you blaspheme not only Christ, but the Koran also which tells you to respect Him? and if you call Him good, then He is God - so why do you accept the Koran, which lies and says He is not? how can you call Jesus good, yet not believe Him?
I am sorry, but without taking context into consideration, can't say anything. For that quote me both, Bible and Quran.
 
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in Revelation 19:12 it is written that Jesus has a name written on Himself that no one knows but He Himself.

does God not know this name?
Revelation19:12 says, His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns.He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself.
13 verse says, "He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God."
Going next, 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:
Sorry, i really don't understand from where you dragged Jesus in it?
 
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in a traditional Jewish betrothal ceremony the Father of the Groom sets the day and hour that the Groom will come to snatch away the bride, typically in the middle of the night - and it is kept secret. even though the Groom may actually know - and probably does, as any good Father would tell His Son so that He might be ready - it is customary that the Groom, whenever asked about it, says "no one knows the day or the hour but My Father"

there are 12 steps to the ancient Hebrew betrothal ceremony. Christ uses betrothal language very often, and if you understood this, you would open up a number of His parables, like that of the virgins and the oil, to see that they are all speaking about the mystery of Him and the Bride that He purifies for Himself.
So what i understand from you? Jesus was using an idiom?
 
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Sorry,
While Christ was on earth in His humiliation, He was fully and voluntarily subject to the Father. And God the Father will always be the Head or Authority over Christ (1 Cor 11:3).

What we all need to understand in this context is that following His resurrection, the Father has given ALL POWER AND AUTHORITY in Heaven and on earth to the Son. Which means He has absolute knowledge of all things, and it is the Father's will that every knee should bow to Christ (in Heaven, on earth, and under the earth).

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. (Mt 28:18)
Sorry,
Mark 16 teaches different story of Rising of Jesus. It does not say anything like that. A clear conflict between Matthew and Mark. It's your job to find out what's wrong with it.
 
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Since the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father there would be no reason for Him not to know. And yes, I understand why you ask this question because Matthew 24:36 states only the Father knows.

Now, if you want to use your type of reasoning what would you say about 1 Corinthians 8:6? "yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him, AND ONE LORD, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him."

So tell me fahad, where the verse says there is one Lord, Jesus Christ does this mean that God the Father is not the Lord? Yes or no? Finally, why did you not address all the other stuff I posted regarding Philippians 2:5-9? How about it fahad? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
My Problem is not Jesus here, cause Philippians does address the issue, even though I can raise questions, I still take it as you say, but can you apply the same principle to Holy Spirit?
The verse clearly says, No One Excepts Father, if Holy Spirit proceeds from Father, does it means, One God is proceeding from the other?
Thirdly, For 1Cor8:6, this is the problem with you, Being Lord does not mean being God, It means King. It says, One God The father, I agree, from whom are all things, Agree. Similarly, Jesus as lord no problem, he was King of Earth, no problem. By him were all things, first differentiate between, from whom and by whom. exist for, and exist through.
 
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Do you get points for going to Muslim paradise for coming on a Christian website and trying to disprove a fundamental of the faith - the deity of Christ? I know Muslims have to earn their way to God. And sadly, that Allah, can pretty much take or reject whoever he wants, but particularly if those balance scales of good and evil are awry!

Christ is the hope of the world. He is our salvation. Because he was sinless, and voluntarily died on the cross, he redeemed or paid the ransom/price for us to be reconciled with God. That is in this life, and in the next. The Holy Spirit is Christ's presence on earth, within us, and he leads us to follow and obey God, and transforms or changes us into the image of Christ.

If Christ was only a perfect man, as Muslims think, then Jesus could not pay the ultimate price for us to be saved. A mere mortal cannot pay the price for sin, no matter how perfect he is. Although, of course, the Bible says in both the New and Old Testaments, that "there is no one righteous, no not one!" In Romans 3:10. Yet later on, in the same book, it is clear that Christ, is a man who is also God, who makes atonement for our sin.

"For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 (For rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person perhaps someone might possibly dare to die.) 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, because we have now been declared righteous by his blood, we will be saved through him from God’s wrath. 10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, how much more, since we have been reconciled, will we be saved by his life? 11 Not only this, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received this reconciliation." Romans 5:6-11

"What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:

“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:31-39

This is the God we serve. I've studied Islam in seminary. I also visited Muslim websites and got to know people, who literally posted a testimony every visit for me, and I was not impressed. Have also attended services at a mosque and was so grieved for the people there who were kind, but lost from God. It was all legalism and personal decisions. I don't know about you, but I am sinful, I NEED the Holy Spirit to lead and guide me in to all truth. I can't make it on my own without the full Trinity to help me. You too, can experience the joy of knowing Christ. Continuing in Romans, it is very simple.

"But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” Romans 10:8-13

You too, Fahad, can know the joy of a sure way to heaven, and relief from the burden of sin. Just believe that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart God raised him from the dead (no Judas did not take his place on the cross!) and you will be saved.

God saved me, and has kept me for 39 years. He wants to do the same for you. Just listen for his voice. God is not just some transcendent God high in the heavens. Jesus is also immanent. He came to earth and lived as a man, to die on the cross for our sins. The Holy Spirit lives in the hearts of believers. God is with us. That is what the Old Testament says, and it is echoed in the New Testament.

"Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel" Isa. 7:14. (Im- with; man - us; el - God. Hebrew.)

"She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”
22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”)." Matt 1:21-23

There, spelled out clearly for you - Jesus is God. Now, what are you going to do about it? Continue to follow a religion of the lost, or confess Jesus as Lord and God? I pray God will show you the truth, and you will be saved. You certainly are not, right now.
Sorry, it is just emotional outrage, can't say anything about that.
For sin stuff, If I rape your daughter, will I be forgiven cause of Holy Spirit? Without any penalty? Why I would be punished? If I believe in Jesus, Holy Spirit and Father, My sins are already forgiven, I can do as many sins as much I wanna cause Jesus had already died for my sins.
 
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Wow, this really shakes me up for I thought God was all knowing, but the Son does not know, but how can that be.

Oh, tell me it is not true, for now I will toss and turn on my bed over this, for I thought I was following a God that was all knowing, the greatest of all, but come to find out that God the Son does not know.

Oh why did you have to reveal this to me, and shake up my world to its very foundation, and left me shaking, and trembling with sweatiness, and anxiety.

The Bible says there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

The man Christ Jesus is our Savior, for only a sinless man can reconcile the world unto God.

No man is sinless so God manifest Himself in flesh, and reconciled the world unto Himself in the person of Jesus Christ, God and man in harmony.

Which the man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of God, which He laid down His life for us, and purchased the Church with His own blood.

The Spirit in the man Christ Jesus is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God, for He cannot be separated.

The man Christ Jesus said to Philip, if you have seen Me, then you have seen the Father, for the words I speak are not My own, but the Father that dwells in Me, He does the works.

So Jesus is a visible image of the invisible God.

So Jesus is both God and man, and could speak from either viewpoint.

Which He claimed to be Lord and Master, and said before Abraham was I am, claiming to be God.

And He spoke as a man when He told Mary to go to the disciples, and tell them that I go to My Father, and your Father, and My God, and your God.

And when a man approached Him according to His humanity, and said, good Master, He spoke as a man and said, why call Me good, for there is only one good, and that is God, giving God the glory for Him doing good.

Had the man approached Jesus according to His deity, He would of said He is good, or not say why call Me good.

Since Jesus is both God and man He was speaking as a man when He said the Son does not know the time and hour of the second coming, but only the Father knows that time.

Which is why He said the Father is greater than Him, for God is greater than human.

Which the Bible says that the Son was made after the seed of David according to the flesh, and when the fulness of the time was come God sent forth His Son, made of a woman, made under the law.

But Jesus is God for He is God manifest in flesh, and God said in the Old Testament that He would come in the future in flesh, and save the Jews from their sins.

But that throws some people off how Jesus can be God manifest in flesh when God is an omnipresent Spirit, for they do not understand it.

The Holy Spirit does know the hour of the time of the second coming for He is the Spirit of God.

It is the Son, the man Christ Jesus, the flesh, that does not know the time of the second coming.

But some people will clutch at straws to undermine Christianity, and pose questions without knowing what the Bible says.

Which the Bible says avoid foolish, and unlearned questions, for they gender to strife.

Which the Bible says that God could not overthrow the people in Canaan for they had much chariots, so an atheist jumped on it and said, see God is not all powerful.

But earlier in the Bible God said that He would not overthrow those in Canaan if the Jews feared the people of the land, for then they doubted God that He could do it, so God would not do it.

So 12 Jews were sent to spy out the land, and 10 came back with an evil report saying the people are great in number, and have many chariots, and feared, so God did not give them the land of Canaan that day, but 40 years later.

Which some people want to criticize the Bible without knowing all that it says.
Quote old testament.
And it says, No One Except Father, does it mean No one Except Father?
 

Journeyman

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Looks like it was also not the part of Holy S
Looks can be deceiving,

the world was created by him, but the world did not recognize him. Jn.1:10

There's only one reason why you don't recognize him.
 

Adstar

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This is what the verse says in my Bible::

Matthew 24: KJV

36 "¶ But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."
 
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Wow, this really shakes me up for I thought God was all knowing, but the Son does not know, but how can that be.

Oh, tell me it is not true, for now I will toss and turn on my bed over this, for I thought I was following a God that was all knowing, the greatest of all, but come to find out that God the Son does not know.

Oh why did you have to reveal this to me, and shake up my world to its very foundation, and left me shaking, and trembling with sweatiness, and anxiety.

The Bible says there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

The man Christ Jesus is our Savior, for only a sinless man can reconcile the world unto God.

No man is sinless so God manifest Himself in flesh, and reconciled the world unto Himself in the person of Jesus Christ, God and man in harmony.

Which the man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of God, which He laid down His life for us, and purchased the Church with His own blood.

The Spirit in the man Christ Jesus is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God, for He cannot be separated.

The man Christ Jesus said to Philip, if you have seen Me, then you have seen the Father, for the words I speak are not My own, but the Father that dwells in Me, He does the works.

So Jesus is a visible image of the invisible God.

So Jesus is both God and man, and could speak from either viewpoint.

Which He claimed to be Lord and Master, and said before Abraham was I am, claiming to be God.

And He spoke as a man when He told Mary to go to the disciples, and tell them that I go to My Father, and your Father, and My God, and your God.

And when a man approached Him according to His humanity, and said, good Master, He spoke as a man and said, why call Me good, for there is only one good, and that is God, giving God the glory for Him doing good.

Had the man approached Jesus according to His deity, He would of said He is good, or not say why call Me good.

Since Jesus is both God and man He was speaking as a man when He said the Son does not know the time and hour of the second coming, but only the Father knows that time.

Which is why He said the Father is greater than Him, for God is greater than human.

Which the Bible says that the Son was made after the seed of David according to the flesh, and when the fulness of the time was come God sent forth His Son, made of a woman, made under the law.

But Jesus is God for He is God manifest in flesh, and God said in the Old Testament that He would come in the future in flesh, and save the Jews from their sins.

But that throws some people off how Jesus can be God manifest in flesh when God is an omnipresent Spirit, for they do not understand it.

The Holy Spirit does know the hour of the time of the second coming for He is the Spirit of God.

It is the Son, the man Christ Jesus, the flesh, that does not know the time of the second coming.

But some people will clutch at straws to undermine Christianity, and pose questions without knowing what the Bible says.

Which the Bible says avoid foolish, and unlearned questions, for they gender to strife.

Which the Bible says that God could not overthrow the people in Canaan for they had much chariots, so an atheist jumped on it and said, see God is not all powerful.

But earlier in the Bible God said that He would not overthrow those in Canaan if the Jews feared the people of the land, for then they doubted God that He could do it, so God would not do it.

So 12 Jews were sent to spy out the land, and 10 came back with an evil report saying the people are great in number, and have many chariots, and feared, so God did not give them the land of Canaan that day, but 40 years later.

Which some people want to criticize the Bible without knowing all that it says.
Quote old testament.
And it says, No One Except Father, does it mean No one Except Father? And who are you to decide that Jesus is speaking from his man side or God side,Exactly who decides when Jesus is speaking of flesh, and when Jesus is speaking of God Christian Scholars? what authority they have? or how would we know they have any authority? I say Jesus was speaking from his Man side when he said I And Father are one. Got any proof against it?
Secondly, why Christian rely so much on this switching mechanism? Did Jesus said, I AM GOD? or I AM GOD THE SON?
And when Jesus said He is God in Flesh? It is all your interpretations.
 
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Looks can be deceiving,

the world was created by him, but the world did not recognize him. Jn.1:10

There's only one reason why you don't recognize him.
"Looks Like It was also not part of Holy Spirit's Ministry" to know of the hour.
Can you please explain that.
As for looks can be deceiving, Try to see if you have brain, if you see it, you are being deceived by your eyes.
If hurts, sorry it was only possible reply to such a nonsense that looks can be deceiving.
 
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MATT. 24:36. KJV
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
MARK 13:32. KJV
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, ((neither the Son)), but The Father.

JOHN 10:30.
I and My Father are One.

just as a personal opinion, I don't believe that Jesus was ever not devine, even in the flesh,
thus how could He not ever not know the mind/wisdom/knowledge of The Father,
since He is God incarnate?
 

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"Looks Like It was also not part of Holy Spirit's Ministry" to know of the hour. Can you please explain that.
Sure. It looks that way to you because you're arguing from silence, as the passage you selected doesn't specifically name the Holy Spirit. Arguing from silence is meaningless.

As for looks can be deceiving, Try to see if you have brain, if you see it, you are being deceived by your eyes. If hurts, sorry it was only possible reply to such a nonsense that looks can be deceiving.
I don't need to see my brain. I have faith it's there. I don't need to see Jesus return to judge us. I believe he will. Hopefully you'll have a new outlook before that.
 

bluto

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Quote old testament.
And it says, No One Except Father, does it mean No one Except Father? And who are you to decide that Jesus is speaking from his man side or God side,Exactly who decides when Jesus is speaking of flesh, and when Jesus is speaking of God Christian Scholars? what authority they have? or how would we know they have any authority? I say Jesus was speaking from his Man side when he said I And Father are one. Got any proof against it?
Secondly, why Christian rely so much on this switching mechanism? Did Jesus said, I AM GOD? or I AM GOD THE SON?
And when Jesus said He is God in Flesh? It is all your interpretations.
You have now crossed the line of being foolish with these 5 year old questions of yours. If Jesus actually said the exact words "I am God" would you believe Him? Let me answer that for you, no. When a "transgender" is speaking is it from their man side or woman side"

You also ask, "I say Jesus was speaking from his Man side when he said I And Father are one. Got any proof against it?" Look, Jesus Christ is the one and only person that has two natures, one on His mother's side and one on His Fathers side. Why do you think Jesus Christ used the "idiom" "Son of Man and Son of God on numerous occasions?

Your also quoting John 10:30 when Jesus said, "I and the Father are one." The verse means that Jesus and His Father are one in nature. How do I know this? Look at the reaction of the Jews at vs31, "The Jew's took up stones again to stone Him." Why did they want to stone Him fahad? Look at vs33, "The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; (what was the blasphemy fahad?) and because You, being a Man make Yourself out God."

The Jews believed that Jesus was claiming to be God so why don't you fahad? And please, answer the question instead of bringing up more questions to hide your Biblical ignorance. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
james
 

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"Looks Like It was also not part of Holy Spirit's Ministry" to know of the hour.
Can you please explain that.
As for looks can be deceiving, Try to see if you have brain, if you see it, you are being deceived by your eyes.
If hurts, sorry it was only possible reply to such a nonsense that looks can be deceiving.
Fahade,
Scripture seems to indicate that only the Holy Spirit can empower one to properly interpret and therefore, apply the Scriptures. ( this also applies to the NT writings)

2Peter- 20knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation. 21For no prophecy ever came by the will of man: but men
spake from God, being moved by the Holy Spirit.

So the real question is, does the Holy Sprit indwell you? Do you wish it to be so?

Also your reference about Christians being able to “freely” sin, since all sins are forgiven, is very far from its context.

In 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, the Apostle Paul describes the kind of sinful lifestyles believers are saved from. Verse 11 says, “And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” Notice the word “were.” Believers used to be like the things listed in verses 9-10, but they are not like that any longer. Can a person who is an adulterer, drunkard, homosexual, child abuser, etc. be saved? Yes. Is a person who lives a life of continual sin a believer? No. When we become Christians, our lives will change. Anyone who is living a sinful lifestyle and claims to be a Christian is either lying, is self-deceived, or really is a believer who is going to experience God’s judgment and discipline (Hebrews 12:5-11).