Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

"Pal"...you can fool some of the people some of the time but not all the people all the time.
Post scripture and stop quoting ....partial....you wish were true.
Just respond to the challenge or go...bye.

What is the difference between Righteous indignation and Pride? Humble and Hostile? Serving Truth or Telling Lies? How is your seed planting going? If Jesus were standing in front of you right now, (and He is) discerning the thoughts and intents of your heart, who would you be representing most? Just some questions I have had to ask myself in the last 24. I hope it comes out better for you than it did for me.

One must step back and assess. However, out of complete respect for G-d's word it is terrible to see it's clear meaning abused...especially under the guise of new age religion in many cases.
We, witnesses for Christ, must defend The Bible in any way we can. Otherwise newbies will be miss led.

A sentiment of mine also, making it much more important to lead by example. The truth of Gods word is the Iron the crushes the rock the false doctrine stands upon. That is all we need. And sometimes someone to tell us to just sit back and serve God. If you feel it is at all helpful in this moment then take a bit and chill. If not just walk on by and continue on. I was just thankful when it was done for me because I really did need it.

that's confusing.
i thought dcon said,


so @preston39 why do you say that's not scriptural?

yes

we should not let them think they have no assurance or sure hope

Like I said deceiver....offer your works and self effort at the Great White Throne and see how that works out PAL

Amen....his false religion and religious inept view cannot grasp the truth.

Responding to this comment is hard.
It is hard because we believe 99.9% the same things, yet here is a javalin thrown to hurt and destroy.

Only those who do not have a sensitive heart and do not care about the consequences talk like this.
It is also pointless. If someone holds the same theology yet is false, it becomes self condemning.

We are born from on High, and cannot change our spiritual reality. We can but encourage the
elect and help them to grow and bear fruit.

But if you think about this a little deeper. Those who do not perceive love and its spiritual realities,
kindness and care, are quick to lash out, make their mark, show the error of others and expel them
from the church as the false believers they are. It is ironic that the very force of this approach
declares its failure of the heart to see the Holy Spirit and His work.

God bless you.

The Lord encourages us to love others and build up the brethren.
Anger in others just provokes anger in who they talk to, and the response is always,
I told you so, I am right because you are angry.

Some people are past masters at doing this, it is part of their personality, probably from
youth. I do wonder if they choose their enemies, or their personality preferences choose
their behaviour. I suspect they get such a buzz out of the interaction, putting others in their
place, they never stop to realise this is their addiction, and not the content at all.

God bless you

Oh. So that's what you were doing when I asked why you were offended by Christians not being able to lose their Salvation.

Thanks for clearing that up....

Once you find out that Salvation didn't come from your good choices you will probably find out that Salvation can't be lost.

But as long as you think that Salvation came because of your choices then you will think you are god and you decide if you live or die based on your choice.

And if it was your good choices that caused your salvation then people who don't get saved just aren't as smart or clever as yourself.

But we all know this is not the case. We were all without knowledge before coming to the Lord. We weren't smarter than people who aren't saved. We are all equally dumb in that respect.

Maybe its just too hard for some people to admit that they don't have what it takes to save themselves and it was the Lord who saved them.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

More false doctrine from one who always manages to misunderstand the Bible.

Do you even understand the Gospel and the meaning of salvation?

And it does not make anyone super-spiritual to omit "o" from God. If the Bible spells "God" as "God" that should be sufficient.

While salvation is entirely of the Lord, the sinner must indeed make a choice -- either call upon the name of the Lord for mercy, grace, and salvation, or fail to obey the Gospel. And this is clearly spelled out in Romans 10, which includes the phrase "But they have NOT all obeyed the Gospel".

Every Calvinist (just like everyone else) must obey the Gospel ("the obedience of faith") in oder to be saved. Anyone who claims that he did not need to do this cold not be saved.

The sheep may wander. But they never leave the paddock. Ever. Christ will call, their conscience will be smitten and they will surely get back into the fold.

Peter was gifted with salvation long before he was born. As are all Christians.

PS. 22:10.
I was cast upon Thee from the womb: You art my God from my mother's belly.

ISA. 49:5.
And now, saith The LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to Him,
Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of The LORD, and my God shall be my Strength.

MATT. 19:12.
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs,
which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs
for the kingdom of heaven's sake.
He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

LUKE 1:44.
For, lo, as soon as The Voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

ROMANS 4:19.
And being not weak in Faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old,
neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb:

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


If obedience is a requirement for salvation then these scriptures are wrong. But we both know these scriptures aren't wrong. So what does that mean?

It means you are mistaken to think that obedience is a requirement for Salvation. Its actually the other way around.

Salvation is a requirement for obedience.

Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

Right, when one comes to Christ Jesus for salvation one looks to Him completely, no one can plough in a straight line looking backwards.

So a person is not really trusting Christ Jesus for salvation if they are looking back at their own good works to merit salvation....it is Him completely.