Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

I grew up taught that works have nothing to do with getting us saved, but a lot to do with keeping us saved. I have found by looking at the Bible this is not true at all. We are saved by grace through faith and stay saved by grace through faith. I came here three years as part of my life of searching (having been confronted and exposes to OSAS in ways I had not been before). I have listened and carefully Biblically evaluated the OSAS and have found no Biblical basis for the doctrine. My security in Christ rests on the fact that I am believing in Him, not on the idea that I made a decision (new birth) over thirty years ago. I consider myself neither a Calvinist or an Armininianist!

You may not be aware, but doctrine or theology are ideas not life experience.
Life experience layers how we view doctrine, into what is important and what is not.

So how you are baptised, full immersion, a cross on the head is of less importance to faith itself.
Having spiritual experiences and learning what works and why changes you.

So my theology is my life. So what you say about straying, has no meaning, because it is riven into
who I am. It is like going up to Paul the apostle and asking him did he ever think Jesus was not God,
after Jesus appeared to him. In theory it is an idea, but what happened happened, so it becomes undeniable.

Or take Peter the Apostle. He knew Jesus face to face, and denied Him, yet Peter was reconciled and walked
in grace, not perfectly, but in the relationship he had begun, full of the Holy Spirit.

And as to understanding our position. The light is a light and it shines clearly on everything.
Grace that discounts sin, and treats the behaviour of people as irrelevant is delusion, sold in functional societies
where reasonable relationships, integrity and justice work. Once you go outside this world, you know how
deadly sin truly is when it is allowed to run amok. But that has always been the problem with the tension
between acceptance and repentance.

The Bible plainly states in Hebrews 10 and John 15 that salvation can be forfeited. Many prodigal sons will never return. In the last days there shall be many who will turn away and leave their first love. Many of us believed OSAS until we started studying the Bible rather than just listening to ear tickling preachers.

Where did you get this idea?

We are not in the Garden, and that is why the assurance of salvation is true, because we have a NEW ADAM

Literature

Here are a few scriptures regarding effort- since I am always being accused of trying to earn my salvation through self effort.

These scriptures arent about salvation, but what we must to do after we are born again-

*But says -without holiness no one will see the Lord.
- So if we dont have holiness we won't see the Lord.

Warning and Encouragement
14 (Make every effort) to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.

*What was must do in accordance with Faith.

2 Peter 1:5-8 New International Version (NIV)
5 For this very reason, (make every effort) to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge;6 and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7 and to godliness, mutual affection; and to mutual affection, love.8 For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
*Making every effort to enter the narrow door.

Luke 13:24-30 New International Version (NIV)
24 “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25 Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Sir, open the door for us.’

If you have a test and you put "effort" in to study? Is that "your" effort? Or is it
Gods effort. You can pray God helps you, but who does all the studying, reading and writing?.
I actually edited that message to "Almost every" but for some reason it didnt change it. And Almost Every message isnt actually a fact that your stating.

No where have I written nasty statements towards God about his grace. Nor would I write them about him..

I agree with you. Yes Adam wasnt made eternally secure. God never controlled Adam, he gave him "free will" to choose to eat the fruit". Otherwise Adam was Gods puppet, who he could control.

Apart from the theological fallacy, your being a jerk. She put a heart to convey that even in disagreement she is still showing love. NOT appeasement.
As for the theological fallacy
the truth can be delivered in a hate filled way. It is demonstrated in life and yes even in this forum continually, that the truth is used as a bludgeoning device.
There is even a scripture that says that when we find an brother in error go to them in a spirit of gentleness, and the warning is that if we don't we may find ourselves in sin. That sin is lack of love. Lack of love while speaking the truth.
Also there are pagans who demonstrate love, as it is described in the book of Corinthians, even though they don't have the truth.

And we have a New Adam, He was perfect and His perfection is credited/imputed to us for those who believe in Him for it.

He did not fail and that is why we are eternally secure.

Where in this passage does it say a Christian who continues willfully sinning will receive a reward.

1 Corinthians 3:12-15
Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

Where does it say here if a Christian willfully sins he will receive punishment-

Hebrews 10:26-27
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth,no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

Your question it is based on a wrong premis therefore it cannot be answered.

Sorry I haven't found the work "imputed" anywhere in the bible. If God was totally controlling us then we would never sin again.

That is not what Hebrews 10 and John 15 teach. The Holy Spirit witnesses with our spirit that we belong to Jesus. We do not have control over whether we are saved or not so we do not have control over whether we remain saved or not.

If you receive the genuine article from Christ you know it cannot be taken away nor forfeited. The butterfly cannot return to the caterpillar state of his life and you cannot be born again in Christ and just forfeit that new life to the devil.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The question can still be answered by you

"Alot of you people are exacly like this women from OSAS. You look down on others with disgust and I read your comments"

I would say that this statement encapsulates what you have basically arguing all along, that those that are secure in Jesus use this security to sin>>>> you slander us and state we use grace as a license to sin

So your saying a person cant ever be tempted again by the devil. Watch and pray you resist temptation, the spirit is willing the flesh is weak.

Imputed does not mean control... it means to attribute

Romans 4:5 - But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

His faith is counted for righteousness. Its talking about FAITH. Our FAITH being counted as righteousness.