It still looks like the evil people will be dead in the Lake of Fire (Hell), and only Satan, the false prophet, the beast and those who took the mark of the beast or worshiped him will be tormented forever. All others must have died or else who would the dead bodies (corpses in some versions) be in the last verse in the book of Isaiah? As far as things going on forever and ever, I suspect that the interpretation of that comes from early Catholic translation to make it fit with their desire to scare people into their church. It may be possible that there is no actual meaning of eternity, except for the early Catholic preference of meaning which has survived through the ages. The Greek words only mean that the fire cannot be put out, otherwise. The same with the Hebrew words for the fires of Hell. As for the idea of forever and ever the Greek word also has the meanings of an age or a time. Try going to netbible.org and check out the Greek and Hebrew words that go with the english text. Hover the cursor over the English word to find the Greek or Hebrew word and then hover over them. There is sometimes a different meaning and all meanings are stated one place or the other.
Eternal torment VS Annihilation
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Death in respect to the wriiten law is cast into the lake of fire Not people or lying spirts .But rather the source that kills them the written law. It will never rise to condemn again .
We live in a condemed body, the first death we are experiencing it...it is according to Romans 1 being revealed from heaven. It began being revealed in the garden when faith was made to no effect..... it as it is written departed from mankind.
You can play and wrest these words until they say what you want. Common sense tells me destruction and perishing mean just what they mean. All word have had multiple meanings applied to them. We can wrestle them and pick some uncommon definition once applied to them and claim that.
I believe the Holy Spirit has revealed to me that the dead are asleep. Everyone has a promise of a resurrection. Those of us called will rise at Christ's coming (1 Cor. 15:23). The rest of the dead at the second resurrection (Rev. 20:5). When God gets done with the judgment on the last day, He will completely annihilate Satan, all the demons, all evil humans, death itself and the grave associated with death (Ezek. 28:18,19).
I believe the Holy Spirit has revealed to me that the dead are asleep. Everyone has a promise of a resurrection. Those of us called will rise at Christ's coming (1 Cor. 15:23). The rest of the dead at the second resurrection (Rev. 20:5). When God gets done with the judgment on the last day, He will completely annihilate Satan, all the demons, all evil humans, death itself and the grave associated with death (Ezek. 28:18,19).
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The first resurrection is the resurrection of new spirit life. It began when Christ said it is finished, the graves were opened providing a mansion for a believer the heavenly jerusalamen .To be absent of the flesh is to be present with the Lord.
The veil was rent the reformation had come , the beginning of a unknow amount of time ( last days) before death is vanished, and not peoples bodies. . but the law that kills. The written law. It will never rise to condemn those who violate it forever and ever more. .
The rest of the dead where not reincarnated men who reused to believe in God They suffered the first death and were not given a new spirit that will rise on the last day. their flesh returned to the dust and their corrupted spirit returned to God who had given it conditionally.
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Revelation 20:4-5
Not but the rest of the dead died not again. death is appointed once.
I am amazed that some believe the lie that satan told Eve that if she disobeyed God she would not die. Many believe that lie today and give all wicked and righteous eternal life when the only the only one that is immortal/eternal is God.
If you believe you are a conscience spirit after death when the Bible clearly says the dead know nothing then you are believing the lie that satan said to Eve that if you sin you won't die.
God clearly states that the wages of sin is death. So again I ask the question...
Who is the liar God or Satan?
God who said if you sin you will die or satan who says do what you want and you won't die even if you disobey God.
The belief that folks hold onto is that wicked are burning in hell when they die and righteous automatically go to heaven.
Why then is there a need to resurrect the body when Jesus returns?
The Bible says at the end of it all we get our reward that righteous are living with God eternally in the new earth and wicked are thrown in the lake of fire and the last thing thrown in the fire is death. The second death.
Bible teaches this I am not making this stuff up.
If you believe you are a conscience spirit after death when the Bible clearly says the dead know nothing then you are believing the lie that satan said to Eve that if you sin you won't die.
God clearly states that the wages of sin is death. So again I ask the question...
Who is the liar God or Satan?
God who said if you sin you will die or satan who says do what you want and you won't die even if you disobey God.
The belief that folks hold onto is that wicked are burning in hell when they die and righteous automatically go to heaven.
Why then is there a need to resurrect the body when Jesus returns?
The Bible says at the end of it all we get our reward that righteous are living with God eternally in the new earth and wicked are thrown in the lake of fire and the last thing thrown in the fire is death. The second death.
Bible teaches this I am not making this stuff up.
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Definitely all the wicked people, the wicked angels, and the dragon named Satan and all other bad guys will be tormented forever. In fact the smoke of their torment will rise up forever while we eternally sing praises to Jesus! May they be fully aware of their ongoing destruction for all eternity and suffer greatly as they weep and gnash their teeth for all eternity because they have forsaken the Living God, praise Jesus!
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Death means death . Death does not mean suffer.
In dying the end is death. Romans 1:18 the wrath being revealed from heaven is the death sentence. The suffering we do a by the action of Him corrupted the whole creation called hell is part of it.
It mean Jesus suffering a living hell. By pouring out His Spirit life .God does not accept dead sacrifices.
Those who did not receive a new born again spirit they simply will not rise to ne eternal spirt life. Their corrupted bodies will return to the dust and the corrupted spirit returns to father who gave it.
The letter of the law that kills to begin with will be cast into the lake of fire never to rise to condemn again "you will surely die" .Not surely suffer . Making God merciless
And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Geneisis2:16 -17
Suffering with out end is simply the over zealously of some who it would seem forget it is God who works to give mercy and grace to those he works in to both will and do His good pleasure. Giving mercy to those who does not work in..... called death... the end.
God is a God of mercy.
In dying the end is death. Romans 1:18 the wrath being revealed from heaven is the death sentence. The suffering we do a by the action of Him corrupted the whole creation called hell is part of it.
It mean Jesus suffering a living hell. By pouring out His Spirit life .God does not accept dead sacrifices.
Those who did not receive a new born again spirit they simply will not rise to ne eternal spirt life. Their corrupted bodies will return to the dust and the corrupted spirit returns to father who gave it.
The letter of the law that kills to begin with will be cast into the lake of fire never to rise to condemn again "you will surely die" .Not surely suffer . Making God merciless
And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Geneisis2:16 -17
Suffering with out end is simply the over zealously of some who it would seem forget it is God who works to give mercy and grace to those he works in to both will and do His good pleasure. Giving mercy to those who does not work in..... called death... the end.
God is a God of mercy.
If God does not create in a person a new spirit they will never rise to new life.
If God does not cast the letter of the law into the lake of fire. . . . never to rise again to condemn and kill. . .as in; Thou shall not eat of the will of another or you will surely die (not surely suffer without dying). Then the matter will keep repeating itself and Christ will have to come again and again in the temporal flesh for another demonstration. .
To annihilate is to reduce to nothing not reduce to suffering a work . Like before nothing when God said: let there be
Psalm 104:29Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.
Ecclesiastes 12:7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Jonah 2:1-2(KJV)Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
The parallel interpretation by reason of affection Found in Jonas, in Mark 14 as the last sign and wonder speaks exceeding sorrowful unto death: both strengthened to finish the living sacrifice of suffering in the belly of hell or the heart of the earth. three days and three nights..
And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch. And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him.And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. Mark 14
If God does not cast the letter of the law into the lake of fire. . . . never to rise again to condemn and kill. . .as in; Thou shall not eat of the will of another or you will surely die (not surely suffer without dying). Then the matter will keep repeating itself and Christ will have to come again and again in the temporal flesh for another demonstration. .
To annihilate is to reduce to nothing not reduce to suffering a work . Like before nothing when God said: let there be
Psalm 104:29Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.
Ecclesiastes 12:7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Jonah 2:1-2(KJV)Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
The parallel interpretation by reason of affection Found in Jonas, in Mark 14 as the last sign and wonder speaks exceeding sorrowful unto death: both strengthened to finish the living sacrifice of suffering in the belly of hell or the heart of the earth. three days and three nights..
And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch. And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him.And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. Mark 14
Yes, the letter of the law as to the fall of mankind is everlasting death (you shall surely die in your suffering ) death by the letter of the law is on the last day cast into the fire never to rise and condemn the new creation.
Death the judgement being revealed from heaven. Hell a living work by reason of suffering . In Christ we have our sabbath rest from that work .Those who have not Christ find no rest in this life and not future hope for the next.
Death the judgement being revealed from heaven. Hell a living work by reason of suffering . In Christ we have our sabbath rest from that work .Those who have not Christ find no rest in this life and not future hope for the next.
Hi JesusLives,
Just fyi, you're in company with the Seventh Day Adventist and Jehova's Witnesses who also believe and teach soul-sleep.
Sleeping is only referring to the body, not the spirit. In order to continue in the belief of soul-sleep you would have to ignore all of the other scriptures that show the spirit as being conscious and aware after the death of the body.
Just fyi, you're in company with the Seventh Day Adventist and Jehova's Witnesses who also believe and teach soul-sleep.
Sleeping is only referring to the body, not the spirit. In order to continue in the belief of soul-sleep you would have to ignore all of the other scriptures that show the spirit as being conscious and aware after the death of the body.