Faith is a work.

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Jackson123 said:
This what I believe

1.Jesus say whosoever believe will be save

2.Then there is a verse say as many as father give will come

Both of them are true and not against each other

That mean father give whosoever believe to the son

Why father give a to the son, why not b

I believe father have good reason, not random

And I believe the reason is whosoever believe are pick to give to the son
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"As many" is the key it is used several times. As many as the father gave will come not one more or one less.

Whosoever that believes are the ones that were given faith of Christ to make it possible to believe God .Prior to that they had no faith (not little) by which they could believe God not seen.

Yes the father had a good reason . He is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul desires .he perform that which he appoints to us like Philippians 2 .It is God who works in us to both will and perform his good pleasure as a imputed righteousness. if Christ has begun the good work of giving us a desire he will finish it to the end .Those he does draw he will not cast out.. . but keep them as keepers.
 
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Guojing said:
Precisely, but believe is a verb nevertheless, as what Jackson pointed out. If you don't want to call that work, I can agree, but its still an action one must do.

Not everyone is saved just because Jesus died for our sins, we have to receive the gift by believing, performing this simple action,
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Simply for us yoked with him. He did all the work of suffering by which we can enter his rest (sabbath) . We believe as a product of his work of faith . He did all the wrestling in our flesh and blood setting us captives free from the bondage of the god of this world. .

like he performed in and with Jacob before his conversion as Israel . The born again name of His bride the church which today is Christian the last new name.
 
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Eli12 said:
When someone thinks he already have been saved for his own faith, it is him, himself, who is saving himself .. it is not his faith ... That person is declaring himself saved. But is he declared saved by Jesus?
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Just my opinion, but this is ridiculous!! If God tells us to believe, then he expects us to DO it. This is silly “human reasoning”.
 
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Eli12 said:
When someone thinks he already have been saved for his own faith, it is him, himself, who is saving himself .. it is not his faith ... That person is declaring himself saved. But is he declared saved by Jesus?
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No.
On earth we are.....born again....not saved.
G-d determines if we are ...saved....at judgment, which is after physical death.
 
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PS said:
The point I am trying to make is that followers of the works based religions think they can earn their way to heaven by what they do, good works etc. but believing in God, or believing in anything, is not physical work, it is a work of the heart. It is a spiritual act and this has implications for our future walk with God, who is Spirit and we need to worship God in spirit and in truth.
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You are basically correct, but, your explanation is not clear.

The new age religion movement attempts to co-mingle where the Bible speaks of...faith without works...with works which are intended to earn a spot in Heaven.
They are two different things. One acceptable (former) and one not acceptable (latter).
 
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faith is not a work but faith works. If it doesn't work, your faith is dead.
faith in Christ alone saves. If someones add to that, it won't work for
faith in Christ alone less works saves.

Romans 11:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
 
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James compares dead faith to a corpse. No works means a dead faith. This is why James says works are the evidence of our faith. (Jas 2:17)
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Amen! In James 2:26, the comparison of the human spirit and faith converges around their modes of operation. The spirit (Greek pneuma) may also be translated "breath." As a breathless body emits no indication of life, so fruitless faith exhibits no indication of life. The source of the life in faith is not works; rather, life in faith is the source of works (Ephesians 2:5-10)

In context, James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).
 
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preston39 said:
No.
On earth we are.....born again....not saved.
G-d determines if we are ...saved....at judgment, which is after physical death.
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God in his word, the Bible says we are saved in this present world. For in actuality born again(regeneration) = saved.

2 Timothy 1:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Titus 3:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
 
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fredoheaven said:
God in his word, the Bible says we are saved in this present world. For in actuality born again(regeneration) = saved.

2 Timothy 1:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Titus 3:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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Amen! Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace you “have been” (past tense with ongoing present results) saved through faith..
 
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Beckworth said:
Just my opinion, but this is ridiculous!! If God tells us to believe, then he expects us to DO it. This is silly “human reasoning”.
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What about you believe, meaning trust only in him? Are you going to believe that? If you are not trusting in him fully then it might be said your faith is dead.
 
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How much work did it take you to trust in modern convenience? none
therefore, faith is NOT works
 
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fredoheaven said:
God in his word, the Bible says we are saved in this present world. For in actuality born again(regeneration) = saved.

2 Timothy 1:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Titus 3:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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I doubt G-d appreciates you declaring yourself...saved...before His judgement.
Your references are out of context.
Study the Bible carefully so G-d is not offended.
 
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preston39 said:
No.
On earth we are.....born again....not saved.
G-d determines if we are ...saved....at judgment, which is after physical death.
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Born again (as adopted sons and daughters) is the very definition of saved.
You cannot be unborn. Likewise you take no part whatsoever in you own birth.

A done deal.
 
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cv5 said:
Born again (as adopted sons and daughters) is the very definition of saved.
You cannot be unborn. Likewise you take no part whatsoever in you own birth.

A done deal.
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Wrong.
One can loose their born again status. That's why the Bible says..."maintain until the end"...death. Allow no man to cause you to loose your crowns. Put on the coat of armor ...daily. A backslider would be better off if he had never know the right side,etc.
Study scriptures.
 
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preston39 said:
Wrong.
One can loose their born again status. That's why the Bible says..."maintain until the end"...death. Allow no man to cause you to loose your crowns. Put on the coat of armor ...daily. A backslider would be better off if he had never know the right side,etc.
Study scriptures.
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Those would be the unsaved. Not foreordained not predestined.
 
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cv5 said:
Those would be the unsaved. Not foreordained not predestined.
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Wow....seems you have bought into new age religion stuff...not foreordained?.....not predestined?
I am a Bible fundamentalist. Scripture says what it says. Further, scripture carry's G-d's intent.
 
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