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DeighAnn said:
ARE WE TO TEACH THE LAW? ARE WE TO FOLLOW THE LAW? ARE WE TO REPENT? ARE WE TO DO WORKS?
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Teach the law WITH KNOWLEDGE, To many teach it out of context. Because they do not understand it
You can not follow the law. It requires perfectio, You failed, are failing and will continue to fail. Instead. Teach the fruit of the spirit
If you have not yet repented, Your not yet saved
Those who have true faith WILL do works. There is not MUST about it.
 
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It matters not if you founded this site! You have been coddled and continue to vomit you distorted version on here! You can put me on ignore it you choose,I'm sure your posse will keep you up to date!
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Wow, what the heck started this? I have been out of this thread to long.
 
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dcontroversal said:
BLAH BLAH BLAH.....no one loses salvation EVER........NOR DOES USING BIG BOLDED COLOR LETTERS MAKE YOU RIGHT....
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Matthew 7:13-23 (HCSB)
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who go through it.
14 How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life, and few find it.
15 “Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravaging wolves.
16 You’ll recognize them by their fruit. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
17 In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit.
18 A good tree can’t produce bad fruit; neither can a bad tree produce good fruit.
19 Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 So you’ll recognize them by their fruit.
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ⌊only⌋ the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’
23 Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’


THOSE are the "MANY" in Mat 7:13-23, who think their WORKS Counted for SALVATION, and that HE OWED IT TO THEM.
Can you imagine the surprised look on their FACES when HE will say this:

Matthew 7:23 (HCSB)
23 Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’


How frustrating to hear the these same old Self Efforts False Claims, over and over again, today.

I am beginning to THINK that we have come full circle, where once again the "MANY", think they have earned Salvation once again.

Could it be that the prophesied FALLING AWAY, could be this return to the "MANY" in Mat. 7.


2 Thessalonians 2:3 (NKJV)
3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

As frustrating as it gets, we NEED to Focus on the Mission at Hand and:

Titus 3:1-2 (HCSB)
1 Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work,
2 to slander no one, to avoid fighting, and to be kind, always showing gentleness to all people.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Wow, what the heck started this? I have been out of this thread to long.
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Not hard to see...go read....sister Bertha better than thou came in guns ablaze while accusing and hypocritically judging me.....saying I was self called, not of GOD and all the other crap just because I call a spade and spade and sometimes lack tact.....or because I use sarcasm and a little heat once in a while......
 
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Not hard to see...go read....sister Bertha better than thou came in guns ablaze while accusing and hypocritically judging me.....saying I was self called, not of GOD and all the other crap just because I call a spade and spade and sometimes lack tact.....or because I use sarcasm and a little heat once in a while......
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Looking, how far back do I need to go
 
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And I read it again, and I broke down and cried. And I repented for anything I may have felt that was evil while I was writing it. it is not mine to feel. The first thing I ever knew of you was the first 15 or so chapters of your book. I, can't explain what I felt while reading those first ones. I saw in you someone I thought had to have been touched by the Word. Where is he? I pray I see you again soon.
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SAME GUY, but I do not put up with that which is easily deemed false by the word.......and when I get falsely and hypocritically accused I will not let it go unanswered.......
 
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tourist said:
What exactly is the LAW?
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Good question.

Luke 10:2
And He was saying to them, "The harvest is indeed plentiful, but the workmen are few. Therefore pray earnestly to the Lord of the harvest, that He may send out workmen into His harvest.

I guess if one wants to be sent, there needs to be willingness to work.
 
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dcontroversal said:
I guess we can say what we want, judge everyone and then add.....LOVE AND PEACE and three hearts and it justifies our actions....

Maybe I should do that......LOVE PEACE XXXOOO
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But I sent some pictures to use remember .... here are a few more.

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If judgement is displayed outward,realize it also comes back to the one putting it forth. Make no mistake Paul said if I have all these things and have not love then I am nothing but a BIG NOISE! Peace and love!🔍🔍🔍
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No fun and games now...

The Gospel is complete assurance of salvation at the moment of regeneration based on the work of Christ Jesus.

You deny the very heart of the Gospel.

I just really wish that people who preach that "salvation can be lost" would also admit they nullify the cross, people who deny OSAS never want to travel to the ultimate conclusion of their beliefs.

No amount of "hugs and kisses" can make up for the deep offense of NOSAS.

So I wonder is it really about "David" as you freely name him, that makes you come here and hurl insults or is it because you really do not want to admit your are wrong, and therefore lash out at the messenger who delivers a message that is focused and unwavering?

If love is real it lives in the truth, otherwise it is not love.... and you can quote me on that!
 
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fredoheaven said:
Noose, Christ made the atoning sacrifice not for the Jews only but also the Gentile meaning the sins of the whole world but only those who believe in Him can partake His glory. Obedience is only the result of faith and keeping his commands assures believers that they really known Him.
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Whole world means whole world and not believing Jews and gentiles. So grace and the free gift of salvation is for everyone but only those that obey Him will partake it.

1 John 2:1My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate before the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. 3By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments.

John 3:16For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.
 
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IT SAYS AS YOURSELF. You do not understand GOD's LOVE.

Maybe this will TRIGGER a memory in you, where YOU HAVE NOT LOVED THEM LIKE YOU DO YOURSELF.


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Then don't love yourself that much.

What's so hard in doing to others what you'd like them to do to you?
 
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dcontroversal said:
The following is a comparison between the bible and salvation losers......and make no mistake...this is exactly what they peddle and or how they butcher the word of God by their losable salvation....

Bible -->I will never leave thee or forsake thee
Salvation Losers ---->Jesus is a liar and will leave us and forsake us

Bible --->We are saved to the uttermost and kept by the power of God through faith
Salvation losers --->The power of God is weak and inept, we are not saved to the uttermost and GOD does not keep us

Bible -->Jesus begins, finishes and completes the work of faith in us
Salvation losers --->WE must maintain our faith because JESUS does not finish and complete the work of faith in us

Bible -->He that believes on the SON is having everlasting/eternal life
Salvation losers --->He that believes and MAINTAINS his belief on the SON is having temporal life based upon what he does or does not do

Bible -->Therefore we conclude a man is justified by faith without the deeds/works of the law
Salvation losers -->James out of context tells us we are justified by our works before God

Bible -->It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe
Salvation losers --->It pleased God by works, church membership, baptism, pew jumping, speaking in tongues, back flipping down the isle, saying 57 hail Mary's, taking the Lord's supper, keeping the sacraments and a dozen other religiously zealous man made efforts to save them

Bible -->NOTHING can separate us from the love of GOD
Salvation losers -->Numerous things can separate us from the love of GOD

Bible--->We are in the Son's hand, the Father's hand and NO AN can remove us from that position
Salvation losers -->The above is false, we can remove ourselves because God is weak and inept

Bible -->We are sealed unto the day of redemption
Salvation losers-->The seal of God can be broken because God is weak and inept

Bible --->Where sin abounds, grace abounds the more
Salvation losers--> We qualify, quantify sin and God's grace only covers those small sins when we mess up and for sure we have never lost it, but eternal security believers lose it because they believe they can live any way they want and live like the devil

Bible --->He that believes on the Son is not condemned
Salvation losers --> Believers are condemned all the time and returned to being goats after becoming sheep

Bible --> I will lose nothing, but raise it up the last day
Salvation losers -->God loses people all the time because he is too weak to keep them saved

Bible--> We are born again from above by INCORRUPTIBLE SEED
Salvation losers --> We are not born of incorruptible seed, because that seed can be corrupted and one die lost after being born again

Bible --> The gifts and calling of God are irrevocable
Salvation losers -->God's free GIFT of salvation can be revoked because GOD will break ALL the above promises and send one to hell after being saved

ETC.............I dare to say that salvation losers are false.....and what they peddle is not of GOD and as blasphemous as it comes......the above is a SMALL sample of scriptural promises that MUST BE DENIED, REJECTED and or SWEPT UNDER THE TABLE to peddle a dime store salvation that cannot be found in the bible and or a dime store salvation that devalues the work, promises and ministry of CHRIST!!!!!!!
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No one denies these clear biblical promises, if i were to list the warning to believers also, it would just be as much.
These promises applies to the elect and my question has always been, who is the elect? Does one become an elect when they believe the gospel or when they are obedient to the Lord?
 
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Noose said:
No one denies these clear biblical promises, if i were to list the warning to believers also, it would just be as much.
These promises applies to the elect and my question has always been, who is the elect? Does one become an elect when they believe the gospel or when they are obedient to the Lord?
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Give it a rest Noose, it just all sounds like ranting.
 
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Leastamongmany said:
Remember David every action,ever word of disrespect,name calling and derogatory remark you make is recorded in Gods records and if you fail to repent will be held against YOU! I think God can fight His own battles and I believe YOU ARE SELF APPOINTED! None of your responses are according to Christ law of love.Jn3:16 For GOD so LOVED the WORLD that HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON ,that WHOSOEVER believes on HIM shall not perish. YOU should be DIRECTING others to HIS GREAT LOVE! It seems to me as though YOU seek YOUR OWN GLORY! Peace and love!
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I understand the thrust of your response, but you are falling into the same polarised trap
dc follows.

"None of your responses" is an absolute all inclusive statement which fails if just one response is done
in love.
"You are self appointed" again is not true, because in Christ He has appointed us all as His ambassadors.

And in dc's perspective, he is pointing to Jesus's love, though it maybe of a universalist type, that is the thrust
of the message.

It does seem to get pedantic, but if you provide ammunition to ones protagonist, even though ones point
is true, they fuel the argument that one is biased etc.

Jesus's way is difficult because He sees both sides clearly. Our only hope of seeing God is a pure heart, of being
neutral and seeing how we can reach out and speak to the need for empathy, support, strength, love and
encouragement.

Unfortunately the brutal upbringing of many, their survival and even overcoming has created assertive functioning
individuals with skills to provoke, engage, and put down others, which serves them well in the world but not in
Christ. To be able to take a blow, bottle the anger, expose a weakness and hit without giving ground is a fighters
skill, honed over many years, and some do it as an expert.

So make no mistake, talented is an understatement about some. And often what you see is their battle face, not
their true heart or vulnerability. What do you say about individuals who upset others so much, they desire to hunt
them down and cause hurt and harm to them on these forums? That in itself is testimony enough about the fruit
of an approach. Look to Jesus, He is our example, Praise the Lord.
 
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............I dare to say that salvation losers are false.....and what they peddle is not of GOD and as blasphemous as it comes......the above is a SMALL sample of scriptural promises that MUST BE DENIED, REJECTED and or SWEPT UNDER THE TABLE to peddle a dime store salvation that cannot be found in the bible and or a dime store salvation that devalues the work, promises and ministry of CHRIST!!!!!!!
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Emotional language, you guys over there, yes you, you are dirt, the worst possible, and you are so terrible
you are destroying that which is most precious and beautiful.

A psychosis has at its base a feeling. A group, or a person is persecuting them, and they must be fought.
The more intelligent the individual the more justified they are they are fighting a just cause, because their
brain will find the pattern, even when there is none, and found their whole being upon this cause.

We do not have enemies, we have the lost in darkness, and the saved, who walk in the light. Sin is our
enemy, a hurt, defended heart seeking its own gratification at the cost of others. Our only hope is to walk
in the light and see the path Jesus is leading us down, to walk in His footsteps.

Our enemies are slaves, literally to their behaviour and their lostness, because the truth of death and the
failure of all they have is too much to bear, and their only approach is distraction and being lost in activity.

So anyone who does not see the light in Jesus's words, His solutions, His truth and power, does not know Him.
So far are they from knowing the truth of His words, it is like night and day, and their words of put down or
provocation wasted breath, spoken in the wind. It is why Jesus said do not resist the evil man, because they
lash out in the darkness hoping to get a response which justifies their aggression and rage, when it is a torment
of their own creation at war within them. Thank you Jesus that you are our light, a light in the darkness, a truth
that transcends science, civilisation, ages of man, technology and culture, and saves our very souls, Amen.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Called HYPOCRISY and ATTACKING ME while DOING THE SAME THING I DO ;)
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Thank you dc.

Some will miss your self confession of bad behaviour.
Anger and hurt do create blindness. Dear friend, I admire you diligence.
Until we walk in purity we will not see God. Is this your desire?
Is this something as the rich young man claimed, religion was his justification, but when
it came to following Jesus, he preferred security in the world over love and faith?
 
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