The Tabernacle in the Wilderness

You also said the following to poster tourist.

"We know that getting water baptized does not show a lack of faith because the biblical record shows both water baptism and the infilling of the Holy Ghost were done consistently. In the case of Cornelius and others (Acts 10:44-48), we see they were commanded to get water baptized after receiving the initial infilling of the Holy Spirit."

The fact remains that Cornelius received the "FULL AND COMPLETE GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT" first and then was water baptized. That is what the Biblical record says. Moreover, Cornelius "DID NOT" have some sort of "initial infilling" of the Holy Spirit." Cornelius received all of the Holy Spirit and was immediately saved in that millisecond.

A picture of New Testament water baptism can be seen in the Tabernacle in the wilderness that God commanded Moses to construct per His specific instructions.

In scripture there are two distinct water applications. The first is a complete washing for entrance into the priesthood. Afterward those who minister must keep their hands and feet spiritually clean by being washed in the water of the Word of God.

A foreshadow of water baptism can be seen in God’s command to Moses to wash Aaron and his sons. They were to be washed prior to being clothed with priestly garments:

“And thou shalt anoint the laver and his foot, and sanctify it. And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water. And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest's office. And thou shalt bring his sons, and clothe them with coats:” Exodus 40:11-14

God then instructed the Israelites to wash at the laver in the courtyard before entering the tabernacle. Aaron and his sons were forbidden to enter into the Holy Place without washing at the laver. In fact, they were warned of the consequences for disobedience. They would surely DIE.

Exodus 30:18-21 “Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein. For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat: When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD: So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.”

As stated above, death would occur if one tried to forego God’s command to wash at the laver. The washing of the natural hands and feet reflects a spiritual reality. We are to do God’s work (with hands) and walk in God’s ways (with feet) in accordance with His Word.

After the initial cleansing had taken place, Moses poured oil over the head of Aaron the high priest. This action parallels the new covenant infilling of the Holy Ghost:

Leviticus 8:12 “And he poured of the anointing oil upon Aaron's head, and anointed him, to sanctify him.”

After being washed, and clothed, Aaron and his sons were marked with blood:

“And thou shalt take the other ram; and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the ram. Then shalt thou kill the ram, and take of his blood, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and upon the tip of the right ear of his sons, and upon the thumb of their right hand, and upon the great toe of their right foot, and sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about.” Exodus 29:19-20

Note the significance of how the sacrificial blood was to be applied:

Not only did Moses sprinkle the blood on the altar and upon Aaron and his sons, along with the anointing oil, but each man was marked with blood on the right earlobe, the right thumb, and the right big toe. This was a token reminder that they must listen to God's Word, do God's work, and walk in God's way. The blood speaks of sacrifice, so the priests became "living sacrifices" in the service of the Lord. (The Bible Exposition Commentary: Old Testament )

Many believe that the blood is applied immediately when one accepts Jesus as their personal savior. However, take the time to read the twenty-ninth chapter of Exodus. What you will find is a sequence of events that parallel the New Testament salvation components.

1. Candidate accepts priestly calling.

2. Candidates are washed and adorned with holy garments. Ex 29:4

3. Oil is poured over the head of the priest. Ex 29:7

4. The priestly office is secured. Ex 29:9

5. The blood is applied after obedience to God’s commands above. Ex 29:20

After stating how the priestly office is secured, the Word instructs us about our Christian walk and how to honor God with various types of offerings.

The New Testament parallel is as follows:

1. Acceptance of Jesus sacrifice and repentance

2. Water Baptism (receive the priestly garments)

3. Infilling of the Holy Ghost

4. Priestly office secured

5. Blood of Jesus sacrifice is applied

When I use the term "initial infilling" I mean the very first time God pours His Spirit into a person.

Thats call anointing

That happens immediately after the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Which happens immediately after one repents and places their faith in Christ, (see eph 1: 13- 14)

And ALL three were symbols of holy spirit baptism, where a persons sins are literally washed away. By being baptised INTO christ, his death and his burial. Something no priest. No pastor. No disciples. No man (who is a sinner himself) has the power to accomplish.

Ananias told Paul that his sins would be washed away upon baptism in the name of the Lord.
"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16

A picture of New Testament water baptism can be seen in the Tabernacle in the wilderness that God commanded Moses to construct per His specific instructions.

In scripture there are two distinct water applications. The first is a complete washing for entrance into the priesthood. Afterward those who minister must keep their hands and feet spiritually clean by being washed in the water of the Word of God.

A foreshadow of water baptism can be seen in God’s command to Moses to wash Aaron and his sons. They were to be washed prior to being clothed with priestly garments:

“And thou shalt anoint the laver and his foot, and sanctify it. And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water. And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest's office. And thou shalt bring his sons, and clothe them with coats:” Exodus 40:11-14

God then instructed the Israelites to wash at the laver in the courtyard before entering the tabernacle. Aaron and his sons were forbidden to enter into the Holy Place without washing at the laver. In fact, they were warned of the consequences for disobedience. They would surely DIE.

Exodus 30:18-21 “Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein. For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat: When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD: So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.”

As stated above, death would occur if one tried to forego God’s command to wash at the laver. The washing of the natural hands and feet reflects a spiritual reality. We are to do God’s work (with hands) and walk in God’s ways (with feet) in accordance with His Word.

After the initial cleansing had taken place, Moses poured oil over the head of Aaron the high priest. This action parallels the new covenant infilling of the Holy Ghost:

Leviticus 8:12 “And he poured of the anointing oil upon Aaron's head, and anointed him, to sanctify him.”

After being washed, and clothed, Aaron and his sons were marked with blood:

“And thou shalt take the other ram; and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the ram. Then shalt thou kill the ram, and take of his blood, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and upon the tip of the right ear of his sons, and upon the thumb of their right hand, and upon the great toe of their right foot, and sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about.” Exodus 29:19-20

Note the significance of how the sacrificial blood was to be applied:

Not only did Moses sprinkle the blood on the altar and upon Aaron and his sons, along with the anointing oil, but each man was marked with blood on the right earlobe, the right thumb, and the right big toe. This was a token reminder that they must listen to God's Word, do God's work, and walk in God's way. The blood speaks of sacrifice, so the priests became "living sacrifices" in the service of the Lord. (The Bible Exposition Commentary: Old Testament )

Many believe that the blood is applied immediately when one accepts Jesus as their personal savior. However, take the time to read the twenty-ninth chapter of Exodus. What you will find is a sequence of events that parallel the New Testament salvation components.

1. Candidate accepts priestly calling.

2. Candidates are washed and adorned with holy garments. Ex 29:4

3. Oil is poured over the head of the priest. Ex 29:7

4. The priestly office is secured. Ex 29:9

5. The blood is applied after obedience to God’s commands above. Ex 29:20

After stating how the priestly office is secured, the Word instructs us about our Christian walk and how to honor God with various types of offerings.

The New Testament parallel is as follows:

1. Acceptance of Jesus sacrifice and repentance

2. Water Baptism (receive the priestly garments)

3. Infilling of the Holy Ghost

4. Priestly office secured

5. Blood of Jesus sacrifice is applied

actually it absolutely does. you refuse to accept it and in fact you will not even discuss it as we have seen from multiple threads you have created and in which you attempt to display superior knowledge that is actually removed from the clear path scripture presents

you conflate old and new testaments and throw scripture icing over it to create confectionary disaster

I understand that your oneness Pentecostal teaching has led you down this path

but it is not too late to get off that path and understand the actual biblical view of baptism and the role it plays in the life of a believer

I mean you would have us be baptized in Jesus name only and if we have been baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, you would tell us to be re-baptized in Jesus name only because the first one didn't 'take'

you also hold to the belief that if you are not speaking in tongues, then you do not have the Holy Spirit...something also that scripture refutes directly and with obvious purpose in order to illustrate the fact only the blood of Christ is acceptable before God when it comes to salvation

in fact, Paul says no matter what gift you display, without love they are just a big bunch of noise

the legalistic renderings of your beliefs take away all grace and actually create a doctrine of works

the ONLY works that are acceptable to God are those He chooses to do through us by His Spirit

we are saved from DEAD WORKS...so many have done works that God calls dead.

the oneness Pentecostal sect teaches dead works for salvation because there is no other name under heaven by which we are saved and only through His blood

you take away from the glory of God and His gift to us and hinder the understanding of those who have not yet studied all these things

you teach a very dangerous and slippery slope that leads to bondage and is really not the gospel at all

So what's your point? Of course as a disciple were suppose to observe and follow the things Jesus taught and commanded. He commanded some people to go "and sin no more." Do you think they lived the rest of their lives not sinning? He said at John 14:12, "Truly, truly I say to you, he who believes in Me the works that I do shall he do also, and GREATER works than these shall he do, because I go to the Father."

What do you suppose those greater works are wansvic? Are you doing them? And getting back to Matthew 28:19 does your church water baptize in the (singular) name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." No, you baptizen in the name of Jesus Christ only. Now, I am "NOT" arguing with you but rather trying to get you to think and have an open mind about your belief system.

One poster said this: "
dear Brothers and Sisters, how we await the days ahead when we all
will
come together in 'unity and faith and Love'..." Try telling that to the Unitarians, the Christadelphians, the JW's, the Mormons, the Buddhist, the Muslims and I could name a hundred more. Christianity is "NOT" about everybody trying to get along and sing the song "kumbaya" around a camp fire.

If the essential doctrines or teachings of Christianity are wrong then all that follows is wrong as well. The following it by "staunch" oneness person I debated and have known for many years. Here is how he defines God.

"Jesus is the Word, the God, the flesh, the Spirit, the man, the FAther, the Son, the Alpha & Omega, the Lord God Almighty, He is all of them! the Father, Son and Holy Ghost refers to all that Jesus is, not two members in a godhead of three gods." Tell me, do you agree with this definition? Do you really think as a Trinitarian I am teaching "Polytheism" and am worshiping three gods?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

I can't provide evidence from the Bible, (specifically from the New Testament) that anyone used the exact words from Matthew 28:19 to water baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and in the name of the Holy Spirit. However, what you are doing is making what is known in "logic" an argument from silence. In other words, no one can present proof of a negative assertion.

For example, if you say to me, "Show me in the book of Acts where anybody stated that Jesus Christ was God." I could not do it but Jesus is identifed as God in the Bible at other places which means your argument is baseless.

So, let's deal with what we do know wansvic. Since your a real big fan of the word, "COMMAND" what does Jesus Christ clearly say at Matthew 28:20? "teaching them (that is the disciples first) to observe ALL THAT I COMMANDED YOU; and lo, I am with you always even to the end of the age." So did He, or did He not say to water baptize in the (singular) name (or under the authorty) of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit? Now what are you going to say or do? Let me guess, Matthew 28:19 is a mistranslation with very little manuscript support and should not be in the Bible in the first place?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

It says to baptize in THE NAME (singular). So what is the name? If the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit share the same name.. what is the name?

Baptism was symbolic of the inner cleansing only. Water does not wash away sins, and that is not what Ananias was indicating.

Your comments seem to indicate that your negative feelings toward a denomination keep you from even considering the points the bible itself makes clear.

Please consider what I pointed out to another individual it applies to you as well:

Your response still does not take into account that each and every water baptism recorded was performed in the name of the Lord Jesus. Surely the disciples administered baptism the way Jesus prescribed. Otherwise the biblical record would include usage of the titles if that was what Jesus had meant by His words in Matt 28:19, it does not.

Paul's comments to the Corinthians and the Ephesus disciples make it clear the name of Jesus was used in water baptism:

"Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" 1 Cor 1:12-13 Even though many issues were problematic in Corinth Paul begins with what he had heard from Chloe’s people: the Corinthians were contending amongst themselves and lines were being drawn around various people: Paul, Apollos, Cephas/Peter, and Christ (1 Corinthians 1:11-12).

"Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus." Acts 19:4-5

Why such denial?

Because the enemy does not want people to believe and receive the name that is above all names. The word expressly states that everything we do in word and deed is to be done in Jesus' name. (Col 3:17) Jesus is the name whereby we must be saved. (John 20:31; Acts 10:43) Through the name of Jesus we receive salvation. Jesus is the name above all names. (Philippians 2:9)

This is an amazing post. Great job. May the Lord bless you in what He is using for.

Baptism was symbolic of the inner cleansing only. Water does not wash away sins, and that is not what Ananias was indicating.

My opinion is that the water is symbolic of the word of God.

This seems like a personal attack on Wansvic. I didnt hear him speak anything about oneness in his original post. Maybe you do not like him from previous posts? But this is pretty heavy attack ur firing at him. Along with others.

His post was fine. And the bible does teach that water baptism comes from God. It is not a man made command. And as far as oneness, that belief is erred but even if someone is in error we shouldnt attack them. You cant win anyone over by throwing stones. We should walk in love and the Spirit of truth will lead the person to see what is true apart from what is not. Youre only hurting your view point by attacking him. God wants us to win people over by love and His word.

His Word shows everything wansvic pointed out. Wansvic views on Holy Spirit and oneness is another thread possibly.

This seems like a personal attack on Wansvic. I didnt hear him speak anything about oneness in his original post. Maybe you do not like him from previous posts? But this is pretty heavy attack ur firing at him. Along with others