Discernment in visions and dreams

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looks like they might be rounding up my husky then!

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Water DOES NOT was away sins and guilt. Only the blood of Christ can do that.

not sure how this fits into the op, but it's certainly true

I looked at that word many years ago and only saw perpetuity. Hats off to you. I can see now even more so that those saints of old like Joshua were sprouts too. We will live forever.

But, where did they go when they died? Now this is another mystery. Surely they weren’t in the righteous part of hell? Where did Elijah go in that chariot? Questions questions! Enquiring minds! 😎

Yes. Call me Fran. Inside joke. I miss her by the way. She livened up the not by works thread.

oh

have that dude on ignore

makes sense now

never mind

The question has nothing to do with 'the living hope of a new incorruptible body' etc., and so your quoted verse is irrelevant.

You're welcome to your opinion, wrong as it is. When someone tells you that your opinion is simply wrong, and shows you with appropriate evidence that your opinion is wrong, you are a fool to continue to hold the same opinion.

When you can show how Cornelius speaking in tongues confirms unbelief, then I will say more in response to your question.

No, it doesn't. Those two verses say nothing about "all outward signs". You're adding to Scripture... again.

You distinguish them yourself, and yet somehow you can't see that they are distinct. That is baffling.

Here are your words, slightly rearranged, to demonstrate your error:

"Tongues is prophecy"
"Prophecy [is] for those who believe"
Therefore, "Tongues [is] for those who believe"

So either you believe that speaking in tongues IS for those who do believe,

OR

tongues and prophecy are not the same thing.

Take your pick.

I listened. And will listen again. Awesome!

COMMANDING one to live a righteous life never worked is what I said.

Surely they were. Sheol/Hades had one section for the righteous dead, and a separate section for the unrighteous dead.
That's a no-brainer. The Bible says that he went to Heaven.

Does it? Thanks. I must of skipped over that. It’s been quite a while since I read it.

And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal... And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. (2 Kings 2:1,11)

In spite of these two clear statements, there are some who refuse to believe that Elijah went to Heaven. There are others who refuse to believe that Enoch went to Heaven. And then there are others who refuse to believe that all the OT saints along with the NT saints who have passed on are now in Heaven, in the presence of God and Christ.

I believe all saints go to heaven in the same way not in or of the corrupted flesh and blood. But in the Spirit of Elijah. the Spirit of Christ.The Spirit John that Baptist came in or you or I.

Flesh and blood could never enter.

Still waiting for you to identify what the "sign" confirms in 1 Corinthians 14:22-23.and give me your idea what tongues are and the purpose seeing you say it is not prophecy? Just a self edifying unknown wonderment?

So far you have not given anything that would make me change the law as to its foundation of the doctrine of tongues.

Who said Cornelius speaking in tongues confirms unbelief? You are confusing your belief that tongues are not prophecy with the fact they are. Tongues confirm prophecy .The sign of tongues those who believe not prophecy.

You left out the "sign" part of the doctrine .They are not the same thing.

Therefore tongues as prophecy in respect to the sign confirm those who "believe not prophecy". Yet for all that they still refuse to believe prophecy... and fall backward as part of the sign .....making the unbeliever the focus of the sign ..not those who do believe prophecy

Study....1 Corinthians 14:22-23

No such thing as "sign gift". You will not find those two words working together they oppose each other. Never compliment each other

Spiritual gift not seen yes. Prophecy the tongue of God for those who do have faith as a sign .

Signs are for those who rebel .A evil generation, natural unconverted mankind seeks after them .

What are you seeking after?

You did, and here you do it again:

I assure you; I'm not confused at all, whereas you are wrapping yourself in knots trying to prove me wrong.

If "the sign of tongues" confirms "those who believe not prophecy" then who was the unbeliever in the case of Cornelius?

I left nothing out. I used your words, adding only enough additional words to make complete sentences.

Who was the unbeliever in Acts 10, when Cornelius spoke in tongues?

Both speaking in tongues and prophecy are called "gifts" in 1 Corinthians 12. Both are called "signs" in 1 Corinthians 14. The two concepts do not oppose each other.

Where in Scripture does it clearly state that spiritual gifts are not seen?

Mary was given a sign. Was she a rebel?

I did what again properly distinguish between tongues 'prophecy' the doctrine, and those who refused to hear prophecy the tongue of God as a outward sign against them?

Two different apposing things. . signs and doctrine.(prophecy) The believers new tongue that preaches the gospel.. it as it is written can raise the dead

What do you think the law in respect to the sign confirms?

Who said anything about the unbeliever in the case of Cornelius? You keep bringing it up it has no bearing at all. Believers and unbelievers (no faith) are effected by prophecy. Some believe by exercising their new faith other do not. To some we are the sweet fragrance of new spirit life to others the smell of death of the false doctrine they hold as a sign against them .

Prophecy in any language is for those who do believe(faithful ) . Rejecting prophecy in any langue is for those who beleive not (faithless)