The Tabernacle in the Wilderness

I have stated many times that without the blood of Jesus there would be no redemption for mankind. After receiving this message instructions were provided that everyone is commanded to obey.

Mankind is to repent and get water baptized. God provides the gift to those who have obeyed His instructions (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18) as well as those He knows will obey when provided with the command (Acts 10:44-48; 19:1-6, 22:16).

The bible makes it clear that water baptism was not optional. When the command was given without exception everyone complied. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6, 22:16 Paul, 8:35-40 Eunuch, 16:28-33 Jailer/family, 16:14-15 Lydia/family, 18:8 Crispus/Corinthian believers)

Each as individuals must make the choice whether to believe and obey the instructions or not.

is it possible for you to be honest?

what you have stated is that the blood of Christ is applied ONLY after your 5 step program with the blood being number 5

you should repent and stop peddling water regeneration

you are forever telling people to reply to what you say are your proof verses

but you NEVER respond to scripture others post that clearly refute your belief

what I just posted from Hebrews totally refutes the heretical teaching that water cleanses from sin

you have nothing to say about it.

actually, that speaks louder than anything you have actually posted

your silence confirms the fact you cannot twist what Hebrews says BECAUSE it does not mention water

you have a good day now

Christ's blood did secure eternal redemption. The question is how do people have that eternal redemption applied to them personally? You state just believe in Jesus. I say the Word gives instructions that require obedience after one has believed in Jesus as the sacrificial lamb of God. That is where we differ.

but you do not really believe that

apparently you are not an honest person and you cannot address the portion of scripture from Hebrews

do you not have the entire Bible?

perhaps just the Baptismal Regeneration With Tongues or Burn in Hell Bible?

where we differ, is that I believe that the blood of Christ is sufficient for the remission of sin


here, again, is what you state in your op and in various other posts, what you actually believe:

again, stating that baptism saves

from the op, again:


1. Acceptance of Jesus sacrifice and repentance

2. Water Baptism (receive the priestly garments)

3. Infilling of the Holy Ghost

4. Priestly office secured

5. Blood of Jesus sacrifice is applied

Jesus does not save a person unless they first are water baptize

yet, the Bible clearly teaches that you receive Christ and then are water baptized

if someone receives Christ, number one on the op list, they are saved there. everything else follows

water regeneration is not taught in scripture

Did Jesus not say: He who believes and is baptized shall be saved?

still no response to Hebrews 9 that underscores it is only by the blood of Christ that our sins are forgiven

silence is not golden here

it is revealing and underscores the heretical teaching of oneness

You assume much. I was out running errands and did not even see the post until t

his minute. And it would be great to have a discussion without you interjecting rudeness.

What you shared explains the difference between the particulars of the OT blood sacrifice and the NT blood sacrifice made by Jesus. This information does not address how the blood of Jesus is applied to individuals. As I said, I do believe Jesus' blood did secure eternal redemption. But although redemption was secured for all, not all will take hold of it. This is evidenced throughout history.

Again, The question is how do people have that eternal redemption applied to them personally? You state just believe in Jesus. I say the Word gives instructions that require obedience after one has believed in Jesus as the sacrificial lamb of God. That is where we differ.

And though you refuse to accept it, Jesus did say those who believe and get baptized shall be saved. He also goes on to say that those who do not believe are damned already. Therefore getting baptized without actually believing will not save anyone. The obedience must be accompanied by true faith.

well no I don't assume much. just the opposite

you have been educating us for months now

only going what I read in your posts

still nothing on Hebrews? speaks volumes I don't count your appraisal that I shared something between the testaments. that's just silly

you do not seem able to discuss the verses concerning the blood of Christ that I posted from Hebrews

if you cannot do that, I find that kind of alarming

the truth of this matter is

Redemption through His Blood
11But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that have come,d He went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made by hands and is not of this creation. 12He did not enter by the blood of goats and calves, but He entered the Most Holy Place once for all by His own blood, thus securing eternal redemption.
13For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that their bodies are clean, 14how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself unblemished to God, purify oureconsciences from works of death, so that we may serve the living God!

we have redemption only through the blood of Christ. nothing to do with baptism. baptism is an ordinance...not at part of salvation

A picture of New Testament water baptism can be seen in the Tabernacle in the wilderness that God commanded Moses to construct per His specific instructions.

In scripture there are two distinct water applications. The first is a complete washing for entrance into the priesthood. Afterward those who minister must keep their hands and feet spiritually clean by being washed in the water of the Word of God.

A foreshadow of water baptism can be seen in God’s command to Moses to wash Aaron and his sons. They were to be washed prior to being clothed with priestly garments:

“And thou shalt anoint the laver and his foot, and sanctify it. And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water. And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest's office. And thou shalt bring his sons, and clothe them with coats:” Exodus 40:11-14

God then instructed the Israelites to wash at the laver in the courtyard before entering the tabernacle. Aaron and his sons were forbidden to enter into the Holy Place without washing at the laver. In fact, they were warned of the consequences for disobedience. They would surely DIE.

Exodus 30:18-21 “Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein. For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat: When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD: So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.”

As stated above, death would occur if one tried to forego God’s command to wash at the laver. The washing of the natural hands and feet reflects a spiritual reality. We are to do God’s work (with hands) and walk in God’s ways (with feet) in accordance with His Word.

After the initial cleansing had taken place, Moses poured oil over the head of Aaron the high priest. This action parallels the new covenant infilling of the Holy Ghost:

Leviticus 8:12 “And he poured of the anointing oil upon Aaron's head, and anointed him, to sanctify him.”

After being washed, and clothed, Aaron and his sons were marked with blood:

“And thou shalt take the other ram; and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the ram. Then shalt thou kill the ram, and take of his blood, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and upon the tip of the right ear of his sons, and upon the thumb of their right hand, and upon the great toe of their right foot, and sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about.” Exodus 29:19-20

Note the significance of how the sacrificial blood was to be applied:

Not only did Moses sprinkle the blood on the altar and upon Aaron and his sons, along with the anointing oil, but each man was marked with blood on the right earlobe, the right thumb, and the right big toe. This was a token reminder that they must listen to God's Word, do God's work, and walk in God's way. The blood speaks of sacrifice, so the priests became "living sacrifices" in the service of the Lord. (The Bible Exposition Commentary: Old Testament )

Many believe that the blood is applied immediately when one accepts Jesus as their personal savior. However, take the time to read the twenty-ninth chapter of Exodus. What you will find is a sequence of events that parallel the New Testament salvation components.

1. Candidate accepts priestly calling.

2. Candidates are washed and adorned with holy garments. Ex 29:4

3. Oil is poured over the head of the priest. Ex 29:7

4. The priestly office is secured. Ex 29:9

5. The blood is applied after obedience to God’s commands above. Ex 29:20

After stating how the priestly office is secured, the Word instructs us about our Christian walk and how to honor God with various types of offerings.

The New Testament parallel is as follows:

1. Acceptance of Jesus sacrifice and repentance

2. Water Baptism (receive the priestly garments)

3. Infilling of the Holy Ghost

4. Priestly office secured

5. Blood of Jesus sacrifice is applied

Would you please provide scripture indicating that receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost and being filled with the Spirit are different experiences.

John Chapter 3 starts at 1, and then in verse 5 touches on the fact that one must be born of water and Spirit if they wish to ENTER the kingdom and continues to your quote of verse 16. Immediately after telling Nicodemus how to be reborn Jesus attends water baptisms in verses 22-26:

"After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
For John was not yet cast into prison.
Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.
And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.
John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven."

If one believes in Jesus they will be obedient to His commands and therefore receive everlasting life.

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS whatsoever I have COMMANDED you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." Matt 28:19-20

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:16

Do you believe Jesus commands are optional? I for one, do not. I believe Jesus meant exactly what He said.

If one believes in Jesus they will receive everlasting life and therefore be obedient to His commands.

So then why do so many "obedient" Christians deny the commandment for water baptism?

you teach that baptism takes away sin. that is heretical teaching

now if you continue to put your laughing faces on posts when no joke is intended, I guess we will have to assume that you find the truth to be funny and you enjoy mockery

Sure. When Samson would on occasion be filled with the Spirit, he would then be capable of utterly wrecking the Philistines singlehandedly.

Smells, bells and water wells have no efficacy whatsoever in Salvation.