Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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If the whole trouble and debate arose because some believing pharisees were deeply offended by being made brethren with gentiles that they, in the weakness of their conscience, considered unclean?
In your other post where you said something like; "if they were Talmudic thugs" who were you referring to as the "they"?
 
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Is this how you reply also, when someone says 'how are you doing?'

No, but KJV likes to compare himself to others and it is just not wise. That could be used as a means to bring other men down to his level and hence negate the work of Christ and the Holy Spirit. The Scripture is the standard men should be looking into, not other men.
 

Yahshua

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Correction;

I don't think a Christian would be under the curse of the law for obeying "laws" that the Holy Spirit and the Apostles deemed reasonable. Which were enumerated in Acts 15. Specifically.
I repeated your own words back to you in sentence form. So you're not consistent.

But we can take your correction also.

So based on what you've said, aren't you now contradicting your entire argument regarding gentiles trying to keep even one of the laws "under their own power and understanding" (even though they have the Holy Spirit as a teacher) based on your understanding of galatians?

There are pages of posts here where you made it clear that's what you meant.
 
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Good Morning KJV, Look to your own experience and scripture for what to expect, not me.
I'm like Paul, I find those things difficult, they are still a burden for me... well not really a burden because I delight in the law, I just know I'm not capable of it nor am I expected to be capable of it.

This is why I question your abilities, I find it hard to believe that anyone can say they're able to obey all the commandments with ease when no one else outside of Jesus has been able to do so.

I would just like a straight answer, do you obey all the ten commandments every day of your life?
 

Yahshua

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If the whole trouble and debate arose because some believing pharisees were deeply offended by being made brethren with gentiles that they, in the weakness of their conscience, considered unclean?
It's not matching the context of what Paul is saying, Post. Paul is saying, DON'T be quick to ask the condition of the food from folks who aren't where the reader is in faith yet. DON'T judge them or cause them to stumble.

If this what the intention of the council they would've said the same thing: DONT judge the gentiles who aren't where you are just yet in meat.

But that wasn't the intention of the council, as we read it's about performing works FOR SALVATION. The pharisees were putting an obstacle in front of SALVATION. An unnecessary burden.

The council ruled on the matter telling the gentiles "no physical circumcision", but what else they ARE to critically follow day by day as they learn more about Moses every Sabbath.

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Now I'm not sure if you received the notification but I'll ask it again here...

Is the law "not to eat meat with blood in it" - one of the laws the apostles instructed the gentiles to follow at that council - in the law of Moses?
 

Yahshua

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they seem to have this weird mindset that we need to keep the Law to generate faith.

their theology is - if you do enough good works, ( Law keeping ), and have enough faith , then God will extend grace to you, as long as you do the works that produce the faith,

this makes sense to the carnel mind, but it is not the Biblical grace, faith, works truth.
If you really think this you're not reading at all. I mean at all. Not one word.
 

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No, but KJV likes to compare himself to others and it is just not wise. That could be used as a means to bring other men down to his level and hence negate the work of Christ and the Holy Spirit. The Scripture is the standard men should be looking into, not other men.
I thought he was asking whether your experience matches your theology.

*shrug*
 

posthuman

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In your other post where you said something like; "if they were Talmudic thugs" who were you referring to as the "they"?
I don't think I've ever said the phrase *talmudic thugs* in my life

If it did say that it was a typo, probably meant 'things'??
 
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I'm like Paul, I find those things difficult, they are still a burden for me... well not really a burden because I delight in the law, I just know I'm not capable of it nor am I expected to be capable of it.

This is why I question your abilities, I find it hard to believe that anyone can say they're able to obey all the commandments with ease when no one else outside of Jesus has been able to do so.

I would just like a straight answer, do you obey all the ten commandments every day of your life?
See, there again, "like Paul" Brother, you have to put your walk between you and the Holy Spirit who will lead you to follow Jesus.

Even Paul says:

1Co 1:10-13 NIV I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought. (11) My brothers, some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. (12) What I mean is this: One of you says, "I follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos"; another, "I follow Cephas"; still another, "I follow Christ." (13) Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul?

Follow Jesus' example, not Paul's.
 
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See, there again, "like Paul" Brother, you have to put your walk between you and the Holy Spirit who will lead you to follow Jesus.

Even Paul says:

1Co 1:10-13 NIV I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought. (11) My brothers, some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. (12) What I mean is this: One of you says, "I follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos"; another, "I follow Cephas"; still another, "I follow Christ." (13) Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul?

Follow Jesus' example, not Paul's.
Why can't you answer the question I'm asking? Do you find it easy to obey every commandment each and every day of your life?

This is not hard lol.
 

posthuman

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It's not matching the context of what Paul is saying, Post. Paul is saying, DON'T be quick to ask the condition of the food from folks who aren't where the reader is in faith yet. DON'T judge them or cause them to stumble.
Paul says 'eat whatever is sold in the market'

It's the weaker brother - the one who restricts his diet - who isn't to judge, because his judgement is wrong.

It's the stronger brother - the one who eats - who isn't to look with contempt, because his contempt is wrong.
 

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So then you don't think a Christian would be under the curse of the law for obeying certain laws you and the Holy Spirit deem are reasonable?
Ya see Yahshua, these, and ones like these? Haven't grown spiritually, in over 2,000 YEARS! They are just as "barbaric" NOW, as "the gentiles" to whom the gospel was presented to 2,000 years ago!
They were "babes" 2,000 years ago? They are "babes" NOW!
It would "appear", they resist any "guidance" from the Father, as well, as the "gift" of the Holy spirit, which was "given" them by the Father!

Revelation 2
12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam (mo money, mo money, mo money), who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the *Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

*The doctrine of the Nicolaitans appears to have been a form of antinomianism, which makes the fatal mistake that man can freely partake in sin because the Law of God is no longer binding. It held the truth on the gratuitous reckoning of righteousness; but supposed that a mere intellectual "belief" in this truth had a saving power.

I believe one may be more correct then not, in referring to these "churches of stone", as not Christ's Church.
Rather, the "Church of the Paulene Epistles."
 

Yahshua

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Paul says 'eat whatever is sold in the market'

It's the weaker brother - the one who restricts his diet - who isn't to judge, because his judgement is wrong.

It's the stronger brother - the one who eats - who isn't to look with contempt, because his contempt is wrong.
Ok we'll leave this alone. I'm not going down yet another rabbit trail away from what I've been trying to discuss with you.

I'll wait for your answer to my question, as I know you like to quote in separate posts.
 
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Ok we'll leave this alone. I'm not going down yet another rabbit trail away from what I've been trying to discuss with you.

I'll wait for your answer to my question, as I know you like to quote in separate posts.
I'm getting no where with SG as far as a truthful answer to whether a believer is capable of obeying the ten commandments flawlessly every day of their life.... What is your opinion Yahshua?
 
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It held the truth on the gratuitous reckoning of righteousness; but supposed that a mere intellectual "belief" in this truth had a saving power.

I have pointed this out before. It is amazing how they literally think that a consent to a doctrine is all it takes!

Interesting details.

So this thread is literally attractant to to those who either Love Gods Commandments, or those who shun them! And just look at what we see.

Hmmmph!

SG:)
 
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See, there again, "like Paul" Brother, you have to put your walk between you and the Holy Spirit who will lead you to follow Jesus.

Even Paul says:

1Co 1:10-13 NIV I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought. (11) My brothers, some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. (12) What I mean is this: One of you says, "I follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos"; another, "I follow Cephas"; still another, "I follow Christ." (13) Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul?

Follow Jesus' example, not Paul's.
What do you mean by your statement above?
Are you saying that Paul teaches a different gospel than Jesus?
Are you saying Paul wasn't a "good" Christian?