Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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NayborBear

Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
Sorry I don't buy that "was" argument and it's not something I"m interested in debating.
Saddens me, you are not so willing in learning "knowledge", but, seemingly unrelenting in your willingness of accusing ones, who have.

What it does "tell", is ones' "complicity", concerning those of a mindset: "I know, I don't WANT to know!"
And, in so doing, are siding with, or
already sided with those being "willingly ignorant." :cry:
 
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Ya see Yahshua, these, and ones like these? Haven't grown spiritually, in over 2,000 YEARS! They are just as "barbaric" NOW, as "the gentiles" to whom the gospel was presented to 2,000 years ago!
They were "babes" 2,000 years ago? They are "babes" NOW!
It would "appear", they resist any "guidance" from the Father, as well, as the "gift" of the Holy spirit, which was "given" them by the Father!


Revelation 2
12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam (mo money, mo money, mo money), who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the *Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

*The doctrine of the Nicolaitans appears to have been a form of antinomianism, which makes the fatal mistake that man can freely partake in sin because the Law of God is no longer binding. It held the truth on the gratuitous reckoning of righteousness; but supposed that a mere intellectual "belief" in this truth had a saving power.

I believe one may be more correct then not, in referring to these "churches of stone", as not Christ's Church.
Rather, the "Church of the Paulene Epistles."

Greetings NayborBear,

It's funny but I mentioned this type of heart attitude towards the commandments where people shun them and do as you brought up here that an intellectual ascent is all you need to a neighbor, and they said; "they must be gittin paid!" No kidding! Now there's just plain old raw wisdom! :)

SG
 

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I'm getting no where with SG as far as a truthful answer to whether a believer is capable of obeying the ten commandments flawlessly every day of their life.... What is your opinion Yahshua?
Hey kjv,

Matthew 19:26
But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible".

Philllipians 4:13
13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

Ephesians 4:13
until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God, as we mature to the full measure of the stature of Christ.

2 Corinthians 12
But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.

Titus 2:12
[Grace] instructs us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live sensible, upright, and godly lives in the present age,

With...

2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be complete, having been fully equipped toward every good work.


Capable? Yes, with Yah fully capable. However, do we have faith in the process?

This is the goal and should be the mission of every believer to achieve. To say it's not possible is literally to "deny the power thereof", and to say it will never happen is to deny the very mission of Yah.


Philippians 1:6
being confident of this
, that He who began a good work in you will continue to perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus

This is the process of growing in the grace (diving power) and the knowledge (i.e. the intimate knowing) of our Master and deliverer that we must have faith in.

Otherwise, what's the point of all of this?
 
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What do you mean by your statement above?
Are you saying that Paul teaches a different gospel than Jesus?
Are you saying Paul wasn't a "good" Christian?

Did you read the passage? You say essentialy "I follow Paul" Paul here redirects those who say that to "Follow Christ"!

We are not to follow "Good Christians" we are to follow "Christ".

I am not saying anything about Paul, at all! But Paul is not Christ who Paul says to follow.
 
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Saddens me, you are not so willing in learning "knowledge", but, seemingly unrelenting in your willingness of accusing ones, who have.

What it does "tell", is ones' "complicity", concerning those of a mindset: "I know, I don't WANT to know!"
And, in so doing, are siding with, or
already sided with those being "willingly ignorant." :cry:
When every bible version says "the earth WAS" and you change it to BECAME, there's an issue there.
 

NayborBear

Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
What do you mean by your statement above?
Are you saying that Paul teaches a different gospel than Jesus?
Are you saying Paul wasn't a "good" Christian?
Con'traire! Con'traire!

Of ALL the "good" things Paul was?
What Paul wasn't?
IS Jesus!

Again, what this "tells", is that after 2,000 years?
You are still as "milk fed" NOW, as the gentiles were "milk fed" THEN!
 
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Hey kjv,

Matthew 19:26
But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible".

Philllipians 4:13
13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

Ephesians 4:13
until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God, as we mature to the full measure of the stature of Christ.

2 Corinthians 12
But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.

Titus 2:12
[Grace] instructs us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live sensible, upright, and godly lives in the present age,

With...

2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be complete, having been fully equipped toward every good work.


Capable? Yes, with Yah fully capable. However, do we have faith in the process?

This is the goal and should be the mission of every believer to achieve. To say it's not possible is literally to "deny the power thereof", and to say it will never happen is to deny the very mission of Yah.


Philippians 1:6
being confident of this
, that He who began a good work in you will continue to perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus

This is the process of growing in the grace (diving power) and the knowledge (i.e. the intimate knowing) of our Master and deliverer that we must have faith in.

Otherwise, what's the point of all of this?
Thank you for responding. I think the point of all this is to come to know Jesus intimately.
 
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When every bible version says "the earth WAS" and you change it to BECAME, there's an issue there.

Hey KJV,

My tone is calm, friendly, and respectful. I don't want you to think otherwise. :)

There are so many versions of the Bible. It is scary!

Personally I memorize KJV, but beyond that I study the manuscripts. Am I a Greek or Hebrew scholar? No, but I have access to some and I have amazing tools/resources. The inspired text is the one originally written, not translated. Is KJV an indispensable resource, YEP! I stay in it! But it is a translation.

SG
 
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Did you read the passage? You say essentialy "I follow Paul" Paul here redirects those who say that to "Follow Christ"!

We are not to follow "Good Christians" we are to follow "Christ".

I am not saying anything about Paul, at all! But Paul is not Christ who Paul says to follow.
Paul didn't write the bible, he wrote down the words God inspired him to write, so nobody "follows" Paul. You are implying that Paul teaches a completely different message than Jesus and that's not true.
 
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What do you mean by your statement above?
Are you saying that Paul teaches a different gospel than Jesus?
Are you saying Paul wasn't a "good" Christian?

Jesus made it clear that anything that does not point to me is not from me!

The sheep follow His voice, Right?

That is why Paul points to Jesus!

That's the litmus. It must point to Jesus. He is our King, Redeemer, High Priest, The author and finisher of our faith and on and on the list goes!
 
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Hey KJV,

My tone is calm, friendly, and respectful. I don't want you to think otherwise. :)

There are so many versions of the Bible. It is scary!

Personally I memorize KJV, but beyond that I study the manuscripts. Am I a Greek or Hebrew scholar? No, but I have access to some and I have amazing tools/resources. The inspired text is the one originally written, not translated. Is KJV an indispensable resource, YEP! I stay in it! But it is a translation.

SG
I have no issues with your tone. :)
 
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Jesus made it clear that anything that does not point to me is not from me!

The sheep follow His voice, Right?

That is why Paul points to Jesus!

That's the litmus. It must point to Jesus. He is our King, Redeemer, High Priest, The author and finisher of our faith and on and on the list goes!
I get it, and my point is that Paul says nothing different than Jesus, Jesus wrote the whole bible.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Does being seen and known a certain way matter more than speaking the truth to you? That's vanity.

You've called me so many labels, do you really think one more label matters to me? Come on, man lol.

Matthew 18:15. You can keep dodging but the truth is truth.
Agreed.

And truth not only can be shared, It can also be called out..


I have no problem with you calling me out if I do wrong, Many have done it, and I have acknowledged and cofessed those sins.

But when you call me (one who disagrees with you) out. And yet refuse to call epople out who agree with you who do the very same thing you are accusing me of.


(You had a chance to do that yesterday, But up until now have failed to do it)
Where there is a word for that.

I will let you figure out what that word is..
 
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Paul didn't write the bible, he wrote down the words God inspired him to write, so nobody "follows" Paul. You are implying that Paul teaches a completely different message than Jesus and that's not true.
Please don't put words in my mouth. How did Jesus live? Imitate that.

When you say;
KJV1611 - "I'm like Paul, I find those things difficult, they are still a burden for me... well not really a burden because I delight in the law, I just know I'm not capable of it nor am I expected to be capable of it." KJV1611 End Quote

You are not leaning on the Grace of God to accomplish the walk of Christ, rather you seem to lean back on Paul's testimony prior to his conversion. Hey, commiserating is Human, but Faith in Jesus through His Holy Spirit is Faith. That's where I have been encouraging everyones focus. Not on me or Paul or anyone. We all must look to Jesus as the one to Follow.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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No, but KJV likes to compare himself to others and it is just not wise.
Can you prove this statement? I would love to see proof of this accusation. Because I have read everythign KJV has said, and not once have I seen him try to compair himself with others.


What I have seen him do is say he is just as guilty as everyone else. And is no better than anyone.

Maybe you haved missed that?

That could be used as a means to bring other men down to his level and hence negate the work of Christ and the Holy Spirit. The Scripture is the standard men should be looking into, not other men.
Or it could be used by you as another excuse to not have to answer a question
 
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Hey kjv,

Matthew 19:26
But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible".

Philllipians 4:13
13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

Ephesians 4:13
until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God, as we mature to the full measure of the stature of Christ.

2 Corinthians 12
But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.

Titus 2:12
[Grace] instructs us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live sensible, upright, and godly lives in the present age,

With...

2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be complete, having been fully equipped toward every good work.


Capable? Yes, with Yah fully capable. However, do we have faith in the process?

This is the goal and should be the mission of every believer to achieve. To say it's not possible is literally to "deny the power thereof", and to say it will never happen is to deny the very mission of Yah.


Philippians 1:6
being confident of this
, that He who began a good work in you will continue to perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus

This is the process of growing in the grace (diving power) and the knowledge (i.e. the intimate knowing) of our Master and deliverer that we must have faith in.

Otherwise, what's the point of all of this?

BEAUTIFUL!

Pro 25:11 KJV A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Enlighten me, what does this line of questioning resemble?
He reminds me of peter. When he is asked a question he does not like, he makes excuses to what he will not answer. Then blame shifts.. He is blaming you for his own refusal. He did the same to me and a few others..