The State of Nature

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Roughsoul1991

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The life of man (in a state of nature) is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short” – Thomas Hobbes

The state of nature is the true definition of freedom. Absolute freedom without a limited government is absolute anarchy or as Thomas Hobbes once said life in this state is brutally short.

The human nature is self evident and the only idealogy that fits this reality is Christianity. Our excuse often is I'm not perfect as we come face to face with the reality of human nature. Our children are born with this all too easy natural response to be selfish, hit others when the selfish desire isnt filled, to rebel against authority and if this nature isnt limited by restraints. It will like a lit fuse run its course until one day they explode with a episode that in a civil society puts them in prison or worse.

The greatest happiness of the greatest number is the foundation of morals and legislation” – Jeremy Bentham

Everything that we legislate is a issue of morality. But whos morality? The absolute morality of God or the subjective morality of mankind? How do you legislate a morality that changes like the wind, or tides of the sea, or phases of the moon? Shouldn't life, liberty, and protection of property be a never changing moral issue to protect from the corruption of mankind? We all should agree in a unchanging morality.
Especially the morality of God that every law in America can be traced back to the bible. To promote America is vice versa to support the morality of the Bible.

“He who is unable to live in society, or who has no need because he is sufficient for himself, must be either a beast or a god” – Aristotle

Living in carnality or perfection. 1 leads to a life of pain while the other is impossible for man to reach alone. Society is God ordained and explained in Roman's 13.

This is why because of the self evident human nature a naturalistic or materialistic answer to life's origins or answers to philosophical questions like morality doesn't fit with reality.

Many skeptics see the boundaries that God has set to be restrictive of their selfish desires. But as Bentham said true happiness comes from the boundaries of legislating morality. The freedom to sin brings physical, psychological and spiritual pain. The freedom to sin brings destruction on a society as generations experience the physical, psychological and spiritual pain. True happiness comes from living in the God ordained boundaries.
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Locoponydirtman

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Hobbs has human nature nailed. He even has the ideal solution nailed. A benevolent King. The problem is that this can't be achieved by humans. One day we will live under a benevolent King in his kingdom. However the first negates the later when it is issued via human effort.