Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

ALL are in Christ - He loses NONE. But, not all are the bride.
It’s not about losing our salvation. It’s about being in the Bride.

Thanks to the scriptures, we now know how to stay fixed:

John 15:9“As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

That’s not how I see it Noose. To stay fixed in Jesus Christ is to cast all our dependence on Him for our righteousness, and not fall into the trap of trying to please Father with good works.

Father loves His children to say My God is good and never lies. We can trust our Father. Childlike faith.

And i don't see it that way.
When you are commanded, you do as commanded, not to please the authority.

How does one cast all their dependence on Him (Lord)? Isn't that doing something for salvation?

Nope.

It is not descriptive of what God's children should do, it is a command from the beginning. The word of God is a command. By God's command, everything was created. By disobedience, sin came and therefore by obedience, righteousness also comes.

It is by loving one another (obeying) that we remain/abide in Christ's love (atonement), if we don't, we are lost forever:

John 15: 9As the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you. Remain in My love. 10If you keep My commandments, you will remain in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and remain in His love.

The command is not burdensome; means you have no excuse of saying you can't love your neighbor as yourself.

Trusting in Jesus for complete salvation is resting on His life and His righteousness, not on anything of our own.

The way we are led by Holy Spirit is to hear Him speak to us. It’s not a command/obedience relationship unless He is speaking something that would be a life saving word. He told me to slow my car down once and get away from the truck ahead of me. I did and a few moments later, hubcaps came flying off the truckbed in every direction.

It’s relationship Noose. A loving relationship.

So who exactly is saved??

Jesus has done his part, but it is also required that disciples do their part - faithfulness and learning the mind of Christ

5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of
our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacks these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and has forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
2Peter 1:
OSAS is totally without any doctrinal merit.

it is peoples who have "faith" that is not irrevocable.
It is believers who fail

A command is a Law. Like in the 10 Commandments (Laws).
Jeremiah 31:33 New King James Version (NKJV)
33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their [a]hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Hebrews 10:16 New King James Version (NKJV)
16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,”


These passages, and others, are DESCRIPTIVE. They talk about the NEW heart the Lord gives us with His COMMAND (Law) to love.


I can go to my children and say "I command you to respect me!". But tell me how you can command somebody to love you?

My children love me. NOT because I command them, but because they recognize me as their father, and INTRINSICALLY love me. I can't FORCE them to love me.

That's why it's very important to understand that although all mankind are God's Creation, NOT all mankind are God's children. We become His Children when we are born again, given a NEW heart, as a NEW Creation, with His Law of love written on it. It is now INTRINSIC that we will love Him and other brothers and sisters in Him.

We DON'T PERFORM love. It is a natural byproduct of who we are now. Attempting to perform love as a means to stay saved negates the very act of love Jesus did for us in dying for us, and robs Him of His Glory.

The way we are led by Holy Spirit is to hear Him speak to us.

All those who have called upon Christ to save them. Those drawn as Jesus said in John 16:8-11

What is put in your heart is the knowledge of the requirement (Law). In some places it is said "God will give them a heart to know Him". You still have to obey the law because that's the essence of the law- to be obeyed.
Obedience to the law is never a byproduct of anything.

Psalm 119: 9How can a young man keep his way pure? By guarding it according to Your word. 10With all my heart I have sought You; do not let me stray from Your commandments.

Heart means mind, new heart means new understanding.
God will give you a new understanding towards what He requires.
Whatever you do comes from what you understand- this is true for both believers and unbelievers.
So God causes you to understand His requirement but obedience is purely yours.

If God causes people to obey then Adam should not have sinned.

Are YOU, RIGHT NOW, a born again child of God?

Salvation is an event where the Holy Spirit enters the soul that has called out to Christ to save them. The Holy Spirit renews them unto eternal life. The Holy Spirit remains and never leaves that soul. The Holy Spirit begins His work of sanctification in the heart which continues until the day of redemption.

Salvation is an event where the Holy Spirit enters the soul that has called out to Christ to save them.

Yes but:

...I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that (in the end) I myself will not be disqualified.

1 Cor 9:27

This may be the reason you, and others who think like you, are so caught up in works (you call it love) to either attain or maintain Salvation:
1 Corinthians 9:24-27 New International Version (NIV)
The Need for Self-Discipline
24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. 25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. 26 Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. 27 No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.


You think Eternal Life is a PRIZE to be won, instead of a GIFT of Grace given by faith in the atoning Sacrifice of Jesus.

1 Cor 9 is not a motivation for doing anything, it is an advice for those that profess faith in Christ and as we can both see, it confirms that indeed people can be disqualified thereby trashing eternal security.

Love is a command that MUST be obeyed.

John 13: 34 A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so also you must love one another.

It is not some kind of motivational talk, it is a must, if not, there are consequences just like Adam did not obey and there were consequences.

Paul SPECIFICALLY says the disqualification is for the PRIZE.

Are YOU saying Eternal Life is a prize?

James 1:12Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love Him.


Rev 2:10 Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you life as your victor’s crown.