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tourist

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I was going back to the person you were responding to who said 'an emotional support companion was nonsense' and now I see I misunderstood your response to him. He still gets a (n) and you a (y). Are we happy now, lol.:)
I get the occasional Red X.
 

TabinRivCA

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I get the occasional Red X.
I confess, I use the ignore button, at will:giggle:.

Oh and I don't use AARP, I just saw their article on the myths re Canadian Healthcare. They are proposed to be a reputable org for seniors..
 

calibob

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@UnderGrace If it wasn't for Medicare and the Veterans administration. I myself wouldn't have any healthcare. At $1,396 per month total income from all sources, I doubt that I could afford any. I feel I've got a leg up on others whom I've known that don't have or get as much as I do. Heck If I had a 300% increase I'd still be below middle class in Oklahoma. So what's wrong with public healthcare other than many resent paying for it?

Have you been reading Ayn Rand? She was an 'A' moral atheist I hope you know.
 
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@UnderGrace If it wasn't for Medicare and the Veterans administration. I myself wouldn't have any healthcare. At $1,396 per month total income from all sources, I doubt that I could afford any. I feel I've got a leg up on others whom I've known that don't have or get as much as I do. Heck If I had a 300% increase I'd still be below middle class in Oklahoma. So what's wrong with public healthcare other than many resent paying for it?

Have you been reading Ayn Rand? She was an 'A' moral atheist I hope you know.
I know all about Ann Rand and her ideas... that has nothing to do with my views at all.

.... I have mixed feelings about what we have in Canada, but the US seems like a mess too, my family lives in the states so I hear about it every Christmas.

I have not had a family doctor for ten years and I am on a wait list...thankfully so far I have been healthy... if something should happen, negotiating the system without a family doctor would be a nightmare I would probably be dead before I received treatment.

I am glad you have Medicare though.
 

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@UnderGrace If it wasn't for Medicare and the Veterans administration. I myself wouldn't have any healthcare. At $1,396 per month total income from all sources, I doubt that I could afford any. I feel I've got a leg up on others whom I've known that don't have or get as much as I do. Heck If I had a 300% increase I'd still be below middle class in Oklahoma. So what's wrong with public healthcare other than many resent paying for it?

Have you been reading Ayn Rand? She was an 'A' moral atheist I hope you know.
Veteran healthcare is not "public" healthcare because it is something you earned through your service to this country as a veteran. And as far as I am concerned, this country's treatment of veterans after they leave the Service is woefully lacking. Veterans should be placed above people who refuse to work and illegal aliens and they should enjoy much better care than what they receive through the VA. You may get something through the VA, but I assure you, it isn't as much as they owe you.
 

cobalt1959

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I know all about Ann Rand and her ideas... that has nothing to do with my views at all.

.... I have mixed feelings about what we have in Canada, but the US seems like a mess too, my family lives in the states so I hear about it every Christmas.

I have not had a family doctor for ten years and I am on a wait list...thankfully so far I have been healthy... if something should happen, negotiating the system without a family doctor would be a nightmare I would probably be dead before I received treatment.

I am glad you have Medicare though.
It's Ayn Rand, and the earlier poster was correct in their assessment of her. She was a selfish, amoral writer who viewed Capitalism as the cure for all ills. She is viewed as a champion by many Conservatives but the fact is, she was not a Conservative, she just replaced Liberalism with Objectivism. Both views revolve solely around Self.

I hate to tell you, but if you have been waiting for a family doctor for ten years, your Socialist healthcare system doesn't work. Perhaps Canada should try something different instead of Socialism. That is a system that has been proven not to work, every single place it's been tried . . .
 

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I have not had a family doctor for ten years and I am on a wait list...thankfully so far I have been healthy... if something should happen, negotiating the system without a family doctor would be a nightmare I would probably be dead before I received treatment.
There are always walk-in clinics ;)
 

Magenta

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You know Franklin Graham came to our city a couple years back. I know not everyone agrees with him but I do on this point. He said Christians complain about politicians but they won't run for office themselves. He said Christians should run for office in their own towns and cities. Not everyone wants to run for president but we can run for offices that can influence our towns and make an impact where we live. I thought he made a good point.
Politics is certainly not everybody's cup of tea. Our most recent former prime minister was Christian, I believe, and so was Preston Manning. He headed the Reform party during the years when the conservatives just about totally sank.
Ah,ok, I'm going to have to practice that one. You can still teach an old dog new tricks. ;)
Teachability is an aspect of humility, so~ good on you :)
 

cobalt1959

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You know Franklin Graham came to our city a couple years back. I know not everyone agrees with him but I do on this point. He said Christians complain about politicians but they won't run for office themselves. He said Christians should run for office in their own towns and cities. Not everyone wants to run for president but we can run for offices that can influence our towns and make an impact where we live. I thought he made a good point.
The problem is not Christians running or not running for office. The problem is, and has been for the last 4 decades, people who claim to be Christians voting for political candidates that they obviously should not vote for. When Roe v. Wade passed in '73 due to a REPUBLICAN majority vote, the voting public should have ousted every single Republican representative that supported it. Citing the last 4 presidential elections, no person, who claims to be a Christian, should have voted for McCain, Obama, Romney, Hillary, or Trump. Every single one of those candidates support things that God vehemently abhors, and no one who actually knows Jesus as their Savior should have voted for any of them. The problem does not lie with the people who run. The problem lies squarely with the people who vote.
 

cobalt1959

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There is nothing for me to get.
Party politics is not the problem.
The problem is a populace that has been intentionally polarized and immersed in a left - right paradigm when the problems are far beyond issues of left and right.
You still don't actually get it. Perhaps because you, yourself, live in a country where the only choice is Liberalism. The Left is amoral. Every single thing that Progressives support is amoral. So a Christian cannot support them. There is no credible debate otherwise. The problem is NEVER a Left-Right dichotomy. The problem is always good versus evil. You vote for the good, or you vote for the evil. It is that simple. If confronted with an election such as 2016 when you are confronted with two evils of the same type, just evil in different areas, then, as a professing Christian, you cannot vote for either. You succinctly illustrate the problem with American politics. People claiming the mantle of Christianity think they can divorce their political views from their spiritual beliefs. Not so much. If your love for God doesn't affect who you support and vote for, you've got way bigger spiritual problems than who is running your country.
 
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You still don't actually get it. Perhaps because you, yourself, live in a country where the only choice is Liberalism. The Left is amoral. Every single thing that Progressives support is amoral. So a Christian cannot support them. There is no credible debate otherwise. The problem is NEVER a Left-Right dichotomy. The problem is always good versus evil. You vote for the good, or you vote for the evil. It is that simple. If confronted with an election such as 2016 when you are confronted with two evils of the same type, just evil in different areas, then, as a professing Christian, you cannot vote for either. You succinctly illustrate the problem with American politics. People claiming the mantle of Christianity think they can divorce their political views from their spiritual beliefs. Not so much. If your love for God doesn't affect who you support and vote for, you've got way bigger spiritual problems than who is running your country.
I actually get a lot more than you know.

And again you are blending together the reality of the polarization of the American populace, with how a Christian should respond, with how to live and interact in a fallen world, with the ultimate truth of good versus evil.

When has the vote been able to be cast in support of absolute good versus absolute evil?

I would state never. Therefore do not vote.

Some Canadians have actually believed the highest office in the land has been held by Christians in the past... yet I am sure they have never followed the legislation enacted by those politicians who make a big show about showing up to church on Sunday.
But I agree, at the very least Christians need to take the blinders off.
 
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It's Ayn Rand, and the earlier poster was correct in their assessment of her. She was a selfish, amoral writer who viewed Capitalism as the cure for all ills. She is viewed as a champion by many Conservatives but the fact is, she was not a Conservative, she just replaced Liberalism with Objectivism. Both views revolve solely around Self.

I hate to tell you, but if you have been waiting for a family doctor for ten years, your Socialist healthcare system doesn't work. Perhaps Canada should try something different instead of Socialism. That is a system that has been proven not to work, every single place it's been tried . . .
Mr. Cobalt you do not need to school me on Any Rand, I have read her books and studied her political philosophy.;)

And please you do not need to school me on the healthcare system in Canada ... my son is pre-med and his girlfriend is in medical school and my nephew is a physician in Dallas. I have been schooled on all sides of the problems.

The system works until is does not work, and that is the way it is with socialized medicine eventually the costs supecede the ability of the tax payer to bear the weight of its burden... which then results in healthcare that is rationed and/or substandard.
 

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Mr. Cobalt you do not need to school me on Any Rand, I have read her books and studied her political philosophy.;)

And please you do not need to school me on the healthcare system in Canada ... my son is pre-med and his girlfriend is in medical school and my nephew is a physician in Dallas. I have been schooled on all sides of the problems.

The system works until is does not work, and that is the way it is with socialized medicine eventually the costs supecede the ability of the tax payer to bear the weight of its burden... which then results in healthcare that is rationed and/or substandard.
Ayn Rand. The spelling is simple.

If you are waiting for a doctor for 10 years, here is a clue for you: Your system already doesn't work.

You're welcome.
 

cobalt1959

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I actually get a lot more than you know.

And again you are blending together the reality of the polarization of the American populace, with how a Christian should respond, with how to live and interact in a fallen world, with the ultimate truth of good versus evil.

When has the vote been able to be cast in support of absolute good versus absolute evil?

I would state never. Therefore do not vote.

Some Canadians have actually believed the highest office in the land has been held by Christians in the past... yet I am sure they have never followed the legislation enacted by those politicians who make a big show about showing up to church on Sunday.
But I agree, at the very least Christians need to take the blinders off.
If the bolded statement is correct than perhaps you should start showing it. Because you don't seem to understand even the basics of Biblical morality.

Funny when you talk about the "American populace" when you don't live here. Canada is not a Liberal annex of America.

You can try to downgrade evil all you want, but that dog won't hunt in real life. If you vote for a candidate that supports abortion, you are voting directly for evil. You are supporting abortion with your vote. And I use the word "you" in a collective context, not you personally. The same goes for voting for any candidate that advocates things that God calls a sin. If you don't believe that, then you need a refresher course in Basic Christianity.
 

calibob

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Veteran healthcare is not "public" healthcare because it is something you earned through your service to this country as a veteran. And as far as I am concerned, this country's treatment of veterans after they leave the Service is woefully lacking. Veterans should be placed above people who refuse to work and illegal aliens and they should enjoy much better care than what they receive through the VA. You may get something through the VA, but I assure you, it isn't as much as they owe you.
Yes, very true I need dental and cataract surgery but that's not covered by either VA or Medicare for some odd reason. I had the sense to join the military when it was very un PC among my age group. However that dosn't lessen my concern for others. That's all I meant. When I was 18 YOA rather than going out, goofing off and getting loaded like most of my friends who acted like Graduation was an extended summer vacation.

I figured it was time to start acting like and becoming a man so rather than going to the beach I went to the recruiter. Knowing The VA would help me go to college was an incentive. I wasn't a case of pure patriotism. We made a deal, my cousins and friends were still living with their parents when I started college. Some got lucky and got into the union, 1 became a cop and another got a degree and became a teacher. But in my life I've dealt with probably 1000's of people through dis-advantagement, arrested development or adolescent delinquency took the longer harder road. They're at the rescue missions, homeless camps, jails and prisons. Detox centers and hospitals.>

Matthew 25:34-41;
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
 
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Ayn Rand. The spelling is simple.

If you are waiting for a doctor for 10 years, here is a clue for you: Your system already doesn't work.

You're welcome.
You are very condescending.... did I state that the system was working.

As for the rest .. no comment.
 
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Ayn Rand. The spelling is simple.

If you are waiting for a doctor for 10 years, here is a clue for you: Your system already doesn't work.

You're welcome.
btw .... Yes Ayn Rand, there taking my time typing .....you ever read any of her books, studied her in University probably not...... why did I ever respond to you, well I will be sure not to let it happen again.