Not By Works

Absolute red herrings.

And IF he fact that it takes a tree years to bear fruit means that it necessarily takes a believer years to begin bearing fruit, if we are that literal with figures of speech , then you must believe in a 9 month gestation period

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I didn’t bring it up, GB9 did but
For those that are confused. Dc and GB9 believe that nature is an interpretive key to scripture, and that when Jesus talks about bearing fruit, nature teaches us that because a fruit tree takes years to bear fruit, it means it takes believers years to bear fruit

So the new birth to them must necessarily have a 9 month gestation period. And the events represented by the parable of the wheat and the tares must span several months, the ammount of time it takes wheat to grow🤷‍♂️

This is DCs proof that it takes believers years to bear fruit. Question for all, I said it doesn’t necessarily take years, notice the word necessarily, and then GB9 said I put a time limit on bearing fruit

Then recently he said I put a time limit on regeneration. Well I never did that. diD he think I was talking about fruit bearing when I said regeneration

Regeneration

Re- means again

Generate- from generation (birth)

New birth

Now we ALL should know what regeneration means

Good golly, Molly

Gb9s argument for why he thinks it takes believers years to bear fruit. Check the link and see who liked it. A boatload of people defended this argument, the only way I can see why is because DC said it. If anyone else had, they would have been laughed out of dodge

That’s not a goodvsign

Since GB9 brought it up again after several months...Can someone please tell me what the post above has to do with a Christian bearing fruit? Thanks in advance

David was not a good Christian then, no, if he was, God wouldn't of rebuked him so strongly. He paid a hefty price for his sins. Difference between David and fornicators of today is, David repented, and went through a season of godly sorrow. This is evident in the Psalms. Now people are told its OK dont worry about it, just confess and keep on keeping on. Nobody is perfect, right?

If you have a wife, by definition its not fornication. Do you know what fornication means? To have sexual relations with your wife, is not fornication. David had many wives, as did many people in that time, there is nothing in the Torah that forbids a man from having multiple wives. God never confronted anyone in the Torah about that, however today, we have the teachings of Jesus in full-effect and as Jesus said, God meant for us to have only one wife.

This is why the Paul teaches that a leader in the church should be a man of one wife, because there were most likely many jews in the early church who had converted and already had multiple wives.

But all this is not related to the topic at hand. Truth still stands, fornication is not lawful to a Christian, and the verse you quoted to say all things are lawful should be read in context. The same Paul condemns all such behavior in the chapter just before that.

I have said what I got to say to you, I hope and pray God opens your eyes and that your conscience isnt seared yet from sitting under this kind of teaching.

Thank you, you are very pleasant to converse with and very refreshing to correspond with. The parable of the wheat and the tares is actually a great parable to tie together with "They went out from among us but were not of us". Great!

Hebrews 3:12
Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.

This was the verse I was talking about. The verse says fall away (or departing, or turning away, depending on translation) from the living God. That leads me to believe these are saved people, brothers in whom there could be an unbelieving heart, which causes them to fall away from the living God. If they were never saved to begin with, I don't see how they could of "fallen away" from the living God. They would of been far from the living God and dead all along.

What is the Reformed explanation to this? I am assuming you are Reformed, based on your defense of holiness while maintaining eternal security, the doctrine known as perseverance of the saints.

And yet God’s grace was upon him and he has salvation. Pretty awesome, eh! 😎

This would only be true if on could fall away from having already recieved salvation.

The author here is talking about those who have an unbelieving heart, but are still going to church, they have not quite received his gift yet, they are still just going through the motions, when the author says they risk falling away, he means they risk falling away from the god who could save them, which if that happens, as has been seen through the ages, your hope of returning is slim, in fact, later this same author says it is impossible to renew them to repentance, or bring them back to the point they are in a position to be saved.

David repented and went through a season of godly sorrow....

Faith worketh by love. Righteousness comes through faith. God tells you to build a boat, a flood is coming, you have FAITH and do it, that is biblical righteousness. God commands the boat to be built, and Noah the humble servant of God, does what he is told despite being mocked and scoffed at.

Heb 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

How did Noah become heir of the righteousness which is by faith? By doing what God told him to do. Not sitting around memorizing doctrines and agreeing with certain facts about God. Faith is always action in the Bible. If that is not understood, nothing will make sense and all of Hebrews 11 is an empty chapter. Notice its an entire chapter about faith, and all these people DID something. Because faith is action. Believing is action. But what about not of works? Again.. CLEARLY the same Paul who wrote Hebrews would not contradict himself in Ephesians. The controversy at the time was pharisees and judaizers commanding gentile christians to go back under the torah and to circumcise themselves. THAT is the works spoken of by Paul. Put two and two together. Romans 6, Paul says it, servants of righteousness = life. servants of sin = death. Choose this day whom ye shall serve.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

He confessed because he was a true child of God, Not in order to stay a child of God, or maintain his salvation.

But as God declared, he had eternal salvation when he was still a you g man keeping watch over the flock. As he called him a man after his own heart, KNOWING he would commit those sins when he said it.

The parable of the wheat and tares has nothing to do with anyone going out from us.....

wow man....no wonder you miss the mark with that kind of faux biblical application.....tell you what....cut and past the parable and then highlight where is states the tares were saved and then went out from us and lost salvation.....

We will all wait for you to do this!

Amen.....there whole premise falls apart when they tey to use David as an example of a salvation which was, then lost and then regained....

Hebrews states clearly that IF IS WAS POSSIBLE TO LOSE IT IS EQUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO REGAIN....

This dime store savior and salvation they peddle disgusts me!

Yep, the fact that he repented is a huge difference. Pigs stay and live in mud and revel in it. Sheep may fall in, but they at least try to get out. If someone is struggling with sin, that is like a sheep that fell in the mud. Christ will come around to pull them out. If someone says “I’m not saved by works so I’m ok here in the mud”, that is different

The difference is a difference in nature. One walks according to a new nature, and seeks the things of the Spirit. The other seeks the things of the flesh

You can seek the things of the Spirit, and still struggle with sin. But if one is seeking the things of the flesh...fill in the blank

Guten Morgan Herr Fraulein.....haha

Just give it time............!!

No the tares were not saved. Nor were the people in the passage about those who went out..,

No, I do not hold all points of what is called reformed theology, ie I am not a Calvinist, though I agree on some points with them