Not By Works

I do want to please God. I think walking after the Spirit is following his leading which would also be the same as following Jesus. There has been times I would feel frustrated and/or guilt because of letting my anger get the better of me. Whereas typing on the computer gives me so much more time to think over what I would say, with speaking I often find myself speaking too quickly.

Funny, in person I am far more measured in my responses, people always tell me I am so diplomatic ...however when typing not so much... that is why I had to turn the other cheek, sometimes it gets me into trouble.

Its not confusing if you read the whole exchange between Mac and I.

I was trying to show Mac that the spirit CAN NOT die. Mac is the one saying that our spirits can die, not me.

I was wondering..... Okay, that explains it, I tried to read it but my eyes started to glaze over so I gave up.

don't blame you!!!

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How's about actually READING a post before you make comments.
I NEVER SAID the spirit dies.
Comments like this makes me wonder if anybody actually reads anybody else's posts.
First off your definition of born again and the bibles definition of born again are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT entities.

My SALVATION experience.
I was brought up in church but became an atheist around the age of 18 and remained one until I was 32 years old. I didn't believe in God and didn't want to know anything about God or Christianity. Then one day when I was doing some work at a Pentecostal preachers house, the preacher began giving me his testimony, of which I had no interest in whatsoever, I was just being polite.

Then the next thing I knew, I was down on my knees crying like a baby and receiving Jesus as my savior. And my life has never been the same since. I started back going to church and reading the NIV bible which I got nothing out of.... kind of like some of the people I run across on this site. During that time of going to church, every church I ever went to kept saying that my bible was not perfect and that it had errors. This didn't sit well with me because EVERYTHING we know about God comes from the scripture.

At some point during that time, I was exposed to the KJV vs. Modern translation debate. So I decided to try the KJV. It was hard to read at first but after a few months is pretty easy to read. After reading it for a year or so, it's was like scales were being removed from my eyes and the meaning of scripture was flying off the page into my mind. I was hooked from that moment on.

My BORN AGAIN experience.
After a couple of years of reading the KJV, my view of Christ and the bible began to change. A NEW CHRIST was formed in me, A Christ that came from the incorruptible word of God. That's when I began to SEE the kingdom of God, not only in scripture but also in the world around me. This also the time that I entered into that kingdom that comes without observance, that's when I truly became free.... That's when I was born again of incorruptible seed.

So no VCO, I don't need for you to tell me how to get saved or how to become born again, I am both already.

That was beautiful.

A day with the Lord is as a thousand years.... poetry right? Metaphor? No meaning whatsoever to you.

Where do you come up with this stuff?
Why don't you this, find every place in the bible where "Born Again" is found and see if it means what you just said.

We all need to do that at times...

A learning experience for both of us. Strengths and weaknesses of a position are revealed when you actually walk through a text it shows consistency or unconsistency.i am not interested in debating you any more. This is for both of our own personal benefit

That is the point. None of us are perfect, but you have a heart for God, and it shows in your actions. You are not playing games with God and professing to know Him while denying Him in what you willingly do. This is what I think John meant. He that is born of God does not sin as a way of life but pursues righteousness. A sheep may fall in the mud, but it is not in its nature to want to remain there. God bless you

If you write your summary of 1 John 3:1-10, I will not attack it I will post my own and then we can discuss it if we both agree to discuss it. If you have a membership, we can do it privately PM. But I don’t have money to pay for a membership, so only if you already have a membership.

I strongly disagree with you, but I sense that you are sincere. It doesn’t make you right, but it makes me want to have a conversation with without either of us needing to get defensive

@UnderGrace
@KJV1611

Spiritual death is RELATIONAL SEPERATION FROM GOD. It is not anhilation or cessation of existence, spiritual death is simply the absence of spiritual life Spiritual life is a relationship with God

Hope this helps

Spiritual life is of a different nature than physical life.

1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
God loved us so much that he has bestowed upon us the honor of being called the sons of God. The world can't see that we are the sons of God because the world doesn't know God.

1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
We are the sons of God RIGHT NOW, this is not something that we will become in the future when Christ returns but we are sons right now. Although we don't look the way we will look in the future when Christ comes.

Agree?

It takes two or three witnesses to establish the truth but I would believe what you say if you could produce ONE VERSE that comes close to saying "spiritual death is relational separation from God".

@UnderGrace

@KJV1611

Spiritual death is when we were lost and did not know Jesus. When we come to Jesus, we are raised to spiritual life

I just thought of something else related to this view. We are all lost from birth. Does this mean that a child is born spiritually dead?

@UnderGrace
@KJV1611

Romans 7:9

2 Cor. 5:14

Ephesians. 2:1-6