Why do Dispensationalists teach Separation Theology?

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Yes a good start but for what?

The spiritual eternal seed Christ (seed of faith the unseen) or seeds the temporal seen as many referring to the corrupted flesh of Abraham?

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Who was the seed signified before Abraham whose mother was a Hittite and father a Amorite. An Amorite ?

in all three of those passages, One particular seed and all of their descendants forever more was given a promise

The promise is still in effect today.

Jesus was a promise to ALL seeds, and every nation of the world.. Thats a seperate promise under the same covenant
 
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in all three of those passages, One particular seed and all of their descendants forever more was given a promise

The promise is still in effect today.

Jesus was a promise to ALL seeds, and every nation of the world.. Thats a seperate promise under the same covenant
I would offer. Its the same promise. . the same seed. The eternal not seen. . . not many seeds according to the flesh of Abraham, the temporal .

The descendants are as living stones that make up the spiritual unseen house of God. Abel would be the first mentioned.

The Jews after the seeds of Abraham took away the faith that comes from our Father not seen Turning it upside down giving it to the things seen the temporal fathers on earth.

And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to
our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. John3:9

Taking away the understanding of faith and giving it to the fathers, as a law of the fathers. Paul when he did belong to kind of sect was guilty. Killing the misperceived competition as those who do wrestle against flesh and blood the things seen the temporal.

No faith that comes from hearing God . Showing they did not believe in a God not seen .Paganism as apostate Jews..God would call them fools. . No Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God working in their hearts .

Now after his born again conversion by the seed the Word of Christ .They came to make Paul disapear as a pagan foundation .(no faith) But rather out of sight out of mind . They tried to say sola scriptura ("believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets)was a heresy and the law of the father oral trreaditions of men the true binding law.

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they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, "believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets": Acts 24:13-14

An eternity of difference between seed (one) Christ and seeds (many).

They were worshipping the fathers as if they were God. . . as many a legion of gods in the likeness of men unlike converted Paul . . . . . . so worship I the God of my fathers . Not fathers as gods in the likeness of temporal corruted mankind .
 
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I would offer. Its the same promise. . the same seed. The eternal not seen. . . not many seeds according to the flesh of Abraham, the temporal .

The descendants are as living stones that make up the spiritual unseen house of God. Abel would be the first mentioned.

The Jews after the seeds of Abraham took away the faith that comes from our Father not seen Turning it upside down giving it to the things seen the temporal fathers on earth.

And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. John3:9

Taking away the understanding of faith and giving it to the fathers, as a law of the fathers. Paul when he did belong to kind of sect was guilty. Killing the misperceived competition as those who do wrestle against flesh and blood the things seen the temporal.

No faith that comes from hearing God . Showing they did not believe in a God not seen .Paganism as apostate Jews..God would call them fools. . No Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God working in their hearts .

Now after his born again conversion by the seed the Word of Christ .They came to make Paul disapear as a pagan foundation .(no faith) But rather out of sight out of mind . They tried to say sola scriptura ("believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets)was a heresy and the law of the father oral trreaditions of men the true binding law.

Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, "believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets": Acts 24:13-14

An eternity of difference between seed (one) Christ and seeds (many).

They were worshipping the fathers as if they were God. . . as many a legion of gods in the likeness of men unlike converted Paul . . . . . . so worship I the God of my fathers . Not fathers as gods in the likeness of temporal corruted mankind .
And you would be wrong

Land and blessings in that land was promised to one seed

Christ and spiritual blessings were promised to all nations and all seeds
 

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The discussion is about the Jews that passed away before God removed their blindness. Are they forever lost?
Is anyone who has passed away before God has removed their blindness forever lost?
 
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Is anyone who has passed away before God has removed their blindness forever lost?
Isaiah 29:18And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

Yes to power of the gospel the light of the word . . . the spiritual blind see by faith( the unseen) , the deaf hear by faith .

John 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
 
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And you would be wrong

Land and blessings in that land was promised to one seed

Christ and spiritual blessings were promised to all nations and all seeds

Yes from one seed. Christ . . . not from nations seeds many . Salvation has nothing to do with the flesh of nations. Only with mankind .In whom the Jew represented in cerinimoinal laws up until the time of reformation .When types and shadows became sight.
 

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Looks like my previous explanation has done nothing to change your misreading.

Oh well you have no control about what others think about you.
If only you had explained yourself clearly.
 
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If only you had explained yourself clearly.
You even replied to my explanation saying I have a kind heart. It was astonishing what was truly on your mind when you said those words.

Well you learn something new everyday about people everyday. :)
 
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If they rejected Christ because God has blinded them, do you think it’s their fault for rejecting?

As I have stated, the way the Jews will be saved by God will be a mystery that us non jews in the body of Christ may not fully understand now.
All of mankind comes as the father draws by a work of His faith working to both will and perform His good pleasure (imputed righteousness) No secrets to one nation. . not known to others.

They were born spiritually blind .The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven ever since the garden the Eden. . A dying creation with a promise of a new incorruptible to some who have ben given a new spirit that will never die. It will be raised and clothed on the last day..
 
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The whole point of the gt is Israel's salvation.

Israel is ushered to safety from the ac/satan during the gt.
They are covenant but must come in through Jesus/Boaz. (Kinsman redeemer). No Jesus=no salvation.

They,the Jew,see Jesus and worship Him. Salvation

Paul is an example of that. That is how the Jew enters.
Paul,a jew was not born again apart from Jesus. No salvation apart from Jesus.
They the Christian by faith, see Jesus and worship Him. Salvation

Word have meanings. Which part of Israel seeing all Israel is not born again Israel? (the gentile non converted part?)

The same could be said with the word Christian the new name God named his bride in Acts previously calling her Israel . Not all Christians are of Christians some have gone from us. . Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect some are in name. . . others by a work of the faith of Christ working in them to both will and do the good pleasure of our father.

Again which part of Israel. . an inward Jew as born again or outward as no Spirit of Christ .This is seeing if any man has not the Spirit of Christ than neither are they Christians and the new name God named His bride the church.

Romans 9:6 Not as though the
word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
 
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Yes from one seed. Christ . . . not from nations seeds many . Salvation has nothing to do with the flesh of nations. Only with mankind .In whom the Jew represented in cerinimoinal laws up until the time of reformation .When types and shadows became sight.
Salvation was not the promise

A plot of land and blessings was


Salvation was promised to the world through a seed, land and blessings was promised to a nation of people
 
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Salvation was not the promise

A plot of land and blessings was

Salvation was promised to the world through a seed, land and blessings was promised to a nation of people
Yes the salvation seed of Christ has nothing to do with the flesh of any nation.
 
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Jesus is the way to the Father and His people will have to walk in that WAY and not just claim to have faith then go to slumber. Wake up!

This is what the Lord says: “Stand at the crossroads and look; ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it, and you will find rest for your souls. But you said, ‘We will not walk in it.’ Jeremiah 6:16

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God afore prepared that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:10

...I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Revelation 3:1-3

...for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: “Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.” Ephesians 5:14

...And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. Romans 13:11

The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 John 2:4-6

Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.
 

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I found a very good set of audios on dispensationalism describing it in detail.

Did you know that many dispensationalists don't even believe the New Covenant is in effect?

Some, called progressive dispensationalists, believe it is in effect IN PART but not in full.

Anyways, this set of audios is really good.

Rob McKenzie is the main speaker, and he is explaining dispensational theology to his pastor. Rob is a former dispensationalist. He has studied this topic in depth, and has listened to thousands of sermons and read lots of books by dispensationalists from different eras.

https://reformedforum.org/tsp22/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp24/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp25/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp26/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp27/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp29/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp31/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp32/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp33/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp34/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp35/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp36/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp37/

Some follow up discussions:
https://reformedforum.org/tsp54/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp55/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp144/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp127/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp128/


As I have indicated, I don't believe dispensationalism. The above series indicates some of the problems with it, in a respectful manner. After listening to the audios, I can see better why dispensationalists believe their theology, though. Rob is very respectful toward dispensationalists in this series.

Realize that dispensationalism affects a lot of evangelical churches. In fact, I'd say about 80 percent of all evangelical churches are dispensational, and pastors are speaking from this perspective without their congregations being aware of it. So it is a pertinent topic and is something I am studying this year as part of my studies in hermeneutics.

Rob has written a book on this topic called Identifying the Seed.

https://smile.amazon.com/Identifyin...g+the+seed+rob+mckenzie&qid=1578305015&sr=8-1
 

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I found a very good set of audios on dispensationalism describing it in detail.

Did you know that many dispensationalists don't even believe the New Covenant is in effect?

Some, called progressive dispensationalists, believe it is in effect IN PART but not in full.

Anyways, this set of audios is really good.

Rob McKenzie is the main speaker, and he is explaining dispensational theology to his pastor. Rob is a former dispensationalist. He has studied this topic in depth, and has listened to thousands of sermons and read lots of books by dispensationalists from different eras.

https://reformedforum.org/tsp22/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp24/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp25/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp26/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp27/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp29/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp31/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp32/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp33/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp34/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp35/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp36/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp37/

Some follow up discussions:
https://reformedforum.org/tsp54/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp55/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp144/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp127/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp128/


As I have indicated, I don't believe dispensationalism. The above series indicates some of the problems with it, in a respectful manner. After listening to the audios, I can see better why dispensationalists believe their theology, though. Rob is very respectful toward dispensationalists in this series.

Realize that dispensationalism affects a lot of evangelical churches. In fact, I'd say about 80 percent of all evangelical churches are dispensational, and pastors are speaking from this perspective without their congregations being aware of it. So it is a pertinent topic and is something I am studying this year as part of my studies in hermeneutics.

Rob has written a book on this topic called Identifying the Seed.

https://smile.amazon.com/Identifyin...g+the+seed+rob+mckenzie&qid=1578305015&sr=8-1
So let me ask you:
Will Israel be restored and reconstituted, and eventually receive the full measure of God's promises and the fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant (yet future)?

A yes or no answer will be fine for me.
 

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So let me ask you:
Will Israel be restored and reconstituted, and eventually receive the full measure of God's promises and the fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant (yet future)?

A yes or no answer will be fine for me.
I don't do "yes" or "no" answers.

I don't play by other's rules either.

Israel has received all that God unconditionally promised her, or will receive it at some point in the future.

God keeps his promises.

My issue is whether the promises were:

1. conditional or unconditional, and did Israel fulfill the condition?
2. fulfilled at some time in the past in national Israel
2. were fulfilled, or will be fulfilled, in Christ or the church, who are true Israel as spiritual descendants of Abraham.
3. were fulfilled, or will be fulfilled, in a much grander way than was originally anticipated.

For example, Romans 4 says that Abraham's spiritual descendants are heirs to the entire world. That's a much grander fulfillment than the one dispensationalists are looking for.

By the way, I find it common that dispensationalists try to pen me in a corner with a "yes/no" answer. I don't play that game.'

Additionally, I believe that there will be great evangelistic success amongst the descendants of Israel just prior to Jesus' return per Romans 11.

The aforementioned audios lay out all the various questions and inconsistencies in dispensationalism in a well-designed manner. If you are dispensationalist, I recommend listening to them and giving me feedback on inaccuracies that you feel the speaker conveyed.