Galatian Conundrums

They did not need to be told, or have it written down. No external written prescription.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:....

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
(Rom 1:18-20 KJV)


Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
(Rom 2:15 KJV)

There were sins of course. My question was "Was their sins imputed to them, before the Law was given?"

You said, "Between the expulsion from the garden to the law of Moses, God did not place a law on anything else. "

But God did place a law somewhere.

Because Abraham obeyed His voice, and kept His charge, His commandments, His statutes, and His laws. (Gen 26:5)

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:....

....That which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
(Rom 1:18-20 KJV)


Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; )
(Rom 2:15 KJV)

I think the term law you are referring to in Gen 26:5 is not the same term used by Paul in Romans 5:12-19. His v13 and 14 will make no sense if they both have the same meaning.

Humanly speaking ,"getting it wrong" is part of our walk.
If we were always right,God would need to move over and share his throne.
Paul was wrong,peter was wrong,david was wrong,abraham was wrong,moses was wrong.
Jesus never was.

Paul already preached it.
Says so in acts.
Jesus told his disciples "i give you the keys to the kingdom"
Authority.
The kingdom is established NOW and is being built NOW.

You have to know the king is enthroned now. He is currently king,has a kingdom,and sits on a throne.

the gospel is a person.
His name is Jesus.
Anything else you frame it into is heresy.
There is no other gospel.
Peter preached what was revealed to him by revelation.
Same with paul.
You are flat out wrong.
There is zero conflict between what Jesus preached,paul preached,and peter and james preached.
The 2 gospel mess is a lie big time

And right after He said this ^ , He...

"Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ."


[is that ^ your commission, too?]

You missed my point about my bringing up Peter in John 21.

I'm not condemning Peter. I'm not simply making a point that we all fail (we do).

I was making a point to Hevo, that if you're going to convince me of something scripture teaches, convince me from scripture (rather than from "church history"... because surely if we looked hard enough we could find something [anything] someone "believed" to support a viewpoint we'd like to hold, but it's not enough to convince me, I'd like to know "from scripture")

Scripture is never wrong. The Word of God is never wrong. Jesus is never wrong.

All true.

And at some point during Jesus' earthly ministry, it ceased being said that "the kingdom of the heavens is at hand"

(if memory serves [and I have a flawed memory ATM , to be clear, lol], I think it was somewhere around Matthew 16 and His "rejection" [by certains]; just before this, in Matt15:24 He's still saying, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel"; and later in 16:21 it says, "From that point forth Jesus began to shew unto His disciples, how that He must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day")

It will again be said during the future tribulation years, as I understand it... (and "the Church which is His body" will not be present on the earth during that time-frame either).

The point was that Peter accused his audience they murdered and killed Jesus. He did not say, "Jesus died for your sins, and rose again as a sign that your sins are fully put away."

No matter how many times you deny, the scripture stated what was said clearly.

Good point about the mid point of Matthew, I didn't realized it until I read from you.

Sin is not just what we do it is what we are. The wage for sin is death. Say you somehow came up with a sin there was no law for it is still sin and the bill must be paid. Man was dying but he had no idea why. The broken law changed all that. sin not being charged God left those people unpunished during that time. There is a difference between not being charged

Yes I agree with you, so Long as you recognise that we are sinners (noun) because of Adam’s disobedience.

It is not our sins that make us sinners. We sin because we are sinners

Hi guojing, hope you are well. In the just days are you speaking of anti-Christ? Anti-Christ appears to get a head wound that will seem to kill him. He is counterfeiting the Lord’s death and resurrection. Scripture says he will be left disfigured and I believe blind and other wounds. This being who is shown to us in Ez. 28 is profoundly vain. I believe this incident is that which causes him to snap and go on his murderous rampage. This is the Covenant with death that will be broken halfway through the Time of Jacob’s Trouble

Well I certainly think there will be an unholy Trinity that will appear during the Great Tribulation, which consists of the Anti-christ, the Beast and the false prophet.

But we are talking about the difference between the Gospel of the Kingdom, that was offered to the Jews, and the Gospel of the Death Burial and Resurrection of Christ thru Paul, which was for everyone.

John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

John 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd."

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”

Wait...

Why does Paul say "James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars" Umm, they are pillars of the faith, they don't "seem" to be...

Revelation 21: 14 "And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb."

James, Cephas, and Johns names are on the foundation of the kindom, they are pillars...

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"

The Jewish people have enough fault in the death of Christ. It is not something popular in Christian circles. In some ways Israel has become an idol to parts of the Church and that colors the way she is seen in the End Times. The promise that all Israel will be saved is distorted because they don’t see the promise of all Israel being destroyed. How can both be true? The key is that not all Israel is Israel. What the heck does that mean? A Jew is not a Jew if He is one only in the flesh. The Lord told Israel they needed to be circumcised in the heart a picture of spiritual rebirth without it the Lord God said Israel was headed for the same judgment as the Gentile nations.

Yes, so it made perfect sense for Peter to preach the resurrection of Christ to his Jewish listeners in Acts, but its not to preach in the same way as Paul, that it is the sign that all their sins are justified.

Rather, its to tell the Jews that, since there was a resurrection, Jesus can still be their King even when they murdered him. But the key to that happening is that they must all repent, and be water baptized (Acts 2:38)

But to Peter, even after Jesus resurrection, salvation for the Jews was still based on obeying the Law and getting circumcised.