Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

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BrotherMike

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Hi there....What is the point of preaching to people if they were already chosen according to OSAS and why did Jesus die if people were already chosen to be Gods FAVOURITES. To me this doesn't make sense. I believe in free will by the way. Nice to meet you😊 Not sure what doctrine you follow?
The Bible last I checked :) granted I have not memorized every verse so if you have a verse that corrects my thinking let me know! :) The point is we have free will and we need to make sure we reach out to make heaven crowded. God is the beginning and the end and has our plan already in place... like he knew before we were born we would be chatting now! :eek: We need to do be His servant and we might be in His plan to reach out the one who has been chosen.
 

Noose

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Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

First commandment is to Love God... when we love and obey Him, we are accepting Him as our savior. Yes, our second commandment is to love one another, however IMO loving our neighbor is not the same thing as loving our God.
The problem is, no one can purport to love God because God is a spirit and a spirit is an understanding and in the case of God, understanding the truth. You can only love God (spirit) by obeying his commands:

John 14:21Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me.

And since the command is to love one another, then the one and only commandment becomes love for your neighbor:

Gal 5:14The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
 

Noose

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Noose where do you ge this stuff :unsure: .. seriously?
It is in the bible.

1 Tim 5:
7Give the people these instructions, so that no one may be open to blame. 8Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
 

Lightskin

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The problem is, no one can purport to love God because God is a spirit and a spirit is an understanding and in the case of God, understanding the truth. You can only love God (spirit) by obeying his commands:
Along with obeying God’s Commands, I love God by praising His Name and thanking Him for all the blessings He has provided me in my life. I thank God every day for the little things in life. We are told to keep our eyes focused on the Lord, and thanking Him is one way of doing so.
 
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It is in the bible.

1 Tim 5:
7Give the people these instructions, so that no one may be open to blame. 8Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
Yeah, I can find all kinds of things in the Bible out of context and understanding... you will need to do much, much better than that.. it is always best to start with the truth of eternal security in Christ.
 

BrotherMike

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The problem is, no one can purport to love God because God is a spirit and a spirit is an understanding and in the case of God, understanding the truth. You can only love God (spirit) by obeying his commands:

John 14:21Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me.
This!... thinking about it... we all fall short of His glory. We all are sinners saved by grace through faith. So if we don't obey the Word and God, we don't love Him. Wow... powerful! It just makes me want to be in His presence and nothing else because of my human self of possibly getting into trouble.
 

Nat2019

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The Bible last I checked :) granted I have not memorized every verse so if you have a verse that corrects my thinking let me know! :) The point is we have free will and we need to make sure we reach out to make heaven crowded. God is the beginning and the end and has our plan already in place... like he knew before we were born we would be chatting now! :eek: We need to do be His servant and we might be in His plan to reach out the one who has been chosen.
Ephesians 1:4-5
Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,

Romans 8:29
For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

Romans 8:13 New International Version (NIV)
13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.

John 6:44
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

God has predestined us, God has drawn us but that doesn't mean we cant fall away through continuing in sin (acts of the flesh) and through turning to another gospel.
 

BrotherMike

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It was nice meeting you Nat! Now I need to go to sleep, worked all night and pretty tired. I will get back to this later :)
 

Lightskin

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It is in the bible.

1 Tim 5:
7Give the people these instructions, so that no one may be open to blame. 8Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
Do you love me Noose? Then send me $10,000, otherwise you’re denying the faith.
 

Nat2019

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It was nice meeting you Nat! Now I need to go to sleep, worked all night and pretty tired. I will get back to this later :)
Nice to meet you😊 Brother Mike. Goodnight hope you have a nice sleep.
 

Noose

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Along with obeying God’s Commands, I love God by praising His Name and thanking Him for all the blessings He has provided me in my life. I thank God every day for the little things in life. We are told to keep our eyes focused on the Lord, and thanking Him is one way of doing so.
It is impossible. Christ can easily become a stumbling block for you. The entire godliness is a command in a man's heart whose outcome can only be salvation or condemnation.

It is actually a conundrum that you have to be careful about. The second and the most extensive commandment demands that we should not have and worship or praise images of the invisible God, yet Christ is the image of the invisible God.

Deut 4:15So since you saw no form of any kind on the day the LORD spoke to you out of the fire at Horeb, be careful 16that you do not act corruptly and make an idol for yourselves of any form or shape, whether in the likeness of a male or female,

Praising or worshiping or believing or trusting is nothing more than obeying His command and the command is to love one another.
 

Noose

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Do you love me Noose? Then send me $10,000, otherwise you’re denying the faith.
Yes but love is not stupid. Yet if you had a genuine need for 10000$ and i'm in a position to give without hurting myself, i would.
 

Noose

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And, don't give so that you go to heaven or giving because you think you are going to heaven. Giving is out of the heart, based on compassion, it has nothing to do with the thought of ascending to heaven and some descending to hell. This is what we call faith.

Rom 10: 6But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’b (that is, to bring Christ down) 7or, ‘Who will descend into the Abyss?’c (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).”
 

Lightskin

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Why do need that much for food, do you suffer from gluttony 😂 cause we are not supplying your desires of fancy foods.
Well look at that, a laughing face after referring to obese people. Your disdainful hypocrisy speaks loud and clear.