Not By Works

dcontroversal · Oct 11, 2019

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Pisteou aka Faither

Have you done an exhaustive lexicographical study of the word "pisteou" in Greek literature?

And to you other question, you not you have not added to grace, there is no grace in your doctrine because you have made faith/belief volitional and a work.

Scripture is very clear

Romans 4:5 (NIV)
5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.

Surrendering is an act of the will.... Salvific faith/belief is being persuaded and not an act of the will.

Your doctrine is not a secret, it is just plain wrong.

And btw @dcontroversal has not left me hanging.

Nor would I ever.....

Pisteuo · Oct 11, 2019

UnderGrace said:

Grace is the Free gift, the unmerited favor. Faith or pisteuo is our response to that Free gift.

The free gift, Grace is completed, finished, done! Faith is not, it's a daily response for what Christ did on Calvary, and yes, work and effort are required.

dcontroversal · Oct 11, 2019

Melach said:

If you're talking to Pastrami......good luck

Pisteuo · Oct 11, 2019

UnderGrace said:

If someone doesn't have the knowledge of what true saving Faith is, even when it's brought before them, they gave yet to respond to the call of the Father. They are still at the drawing of the Father phase of the process. The Father is awaiting their response!

Until they respond and start to live a Continually surrendered life, the Spirit of Christ is not theirs , Christ is not theirs, His word is not theirs, and the promises are not theirs yet.

So I choose to wait until that happens before discussing scripture with anyone.

dcontroversal · Oct 11, 2019

The bible is clear.....Jesus begins, finishes, completes the work of faith in us...IT IS ALL HIS WORK, HIS POWER, HIS PROMISES, HIS FAITH....ETC.....It is all Jesus or as fake as it comes!

Pisteuo · Oct 11, 2019

Melach said:

Really!!!
I have to present the truth to you without compromising it!
If I tell you the secrets of my relationship with God, you would then surrender you life to get them. So I tell you specifically what you need to do, without any expectations of something in return for it. Pisteuo or saving Faith is not a business deal or vending machine process.

So I completely disagree with your irresponsible accusation.

Pisteuo · Oct 11, 2019

dcontroversal said:

God starts the walk, God sets the pace, God lays down the pattern, but we are to follow. It's not all of Him, and it's surely not all of us. It is us, like unto Him.

UnderGrace · Oct 11, 2019

Pisteuo said:

And since you are the only one that has reached the secret, you do not have to defend your position from scripture... how convenient for you.

fredoheaven · Oct 11, 2019

Pisteuo said:

Surrender is not pisteuo. Surrender in Greek is παραδίδωμι How about that?

stillness · Oct 11, 2019

dcontroversal said:

All about Jesus, and His Word tells us, "Honor all men, despise no-one, Love the brotherhood..." He also sais, some honor me with their lips but their heart is far from me." I know we all have trouble, He told us, in the world you will have trouble but: Be of good cheer, I have overcome the world." Meaning, as we follow Him we will overcome ourselves by His Grace: His influence by His Spirit in us.

VCO · Oct 11, 2019

Pisteuo said:

You have a strange terminology, I can almost agree that statement, BUT IT IS VOID OF LOVE FOR GOD. So I am not buying it.

NO LOVE FOR HIM, you are NOT Born Again:

1 John 3:14 (HCSB)
14 We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.

stillness · Oct 12, 2019

VCO said:

Good on you to discern that the work of God is missing in many who profess, not by works: leaving out the Grace of God for us to walk in His Love.

VCO · Oct 12, 2019

stillness said:

AMEN!

mailmandan · Oct 12, 2019

Pisteuo said:

The free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23) Faith in Christ is the ROOT of salvation and works which "follow" are the FRUIT. Through your skewed view of faith and pisteuo, you are attempting to "shoe horn" works "into" salvation through faith, but the shoe does not fit. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9 etc..).

mailmandan · Oct 12, 2019

VCO said:

His strange terminology results in salvation through faith + works. I once heard a Roman Catholic make a similar argument to his that also resulted in salvation through faith + works. Here is his statement below:

We ARE saved by faith - as long as you properly define "Faith". Faith is NOT simply "believing". Faith INCLUDES: Being baptized, eating His body and drinking His blood/partaking the Lord's Supper during Mass, works of mercy and charity, obeying his commandments, doing the will of the Father etc..

Of course that statement above is absolutely false and according to that flawed logic, faith "is" being baptized, faith "is" partaking of the Lord's Supper, faith "is" works of mercy and charity, faith "is" obeying his commandments, faith "is" doing the will of the Father "after" we have been saved through faith. Anyway you slice it, faith gets re-defined to "include" works. The ironic thing is that this Roman Catholic had previously mentioned that the Roman Catholic church does not teach salvation by works, then he turned around and contradicted himself by stating that we are saved by accomplishing this check list of works above and he calls that salvation through faith.

1 John 4:7 - Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

dcontroversal · Oct 12, 2019

stillness said:

1st my context was about salvation, 2nd When Noose likes something you wrote....tells us all how off base it is......just saying...the "truth" Noose stands for and promotes could not even be used as a tabloid story or the ingredients on the back of a cracker jack box......

Pisteuo · Oct 12, 2019

fredoheaven said:

Vines Greek dictionary exact definition of pisteuo or saving Faith.

"A personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. Producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth."

Every word in that definition has a specific Greek word, does that mean the definition is incorrect? No!

Pisteuo · Oct 12, 2019

stillness said:

Who's leaving out Grace? Nobody including me is leaving out Grace. Rarely do we as humans pass up the opportunity to get something for free. Our sins are covered,through Faith. Through pisteuo, through a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. This is God's way! Not mine!

Grace is a different word in the Greek also Fred.

Pisteuo · Oct 12, 2019

mailmandan said:

Skewed view? I've given you the word the Greek language uses to communicate what saving Faith is,and the exact definition out of the Greek dictionary.

Your not discounting my understanding, your discounting their knowledge of the Greek language.

Pisteuo · Oct 12, 2019

We are all brothers and sisters in the sense we are the lucky ones who have been called.

The Greek is very specific. The Father calls out a small group of people out from among a larger group who have not been called.

Now, I don't know why this mistranslation of the most important word in the scriptures (pertaining to Faith) pisteuo, has been put as a stumbling block for so many. This isn't your fault or mine, but this is your wakeup call! I've repeated what a called out one must do to connect with our creator by recieving the Spirit of Christ.

Now the choice is on you. I'm rooting for you all.

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