Paper Money and Fiat Currency is the Mark of the Beast

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I'm disappointed. I answered your questions directly. I expected that you were planning to do the same. But you have not answered my question directly.

If you will answer my questions directly, I believe I can show you that your conclusion that Fiat money causes robbery is incorrect.
I'm not here to be taught why fiat currency is good. You've persuaded yourself that fiat currency is good in spite of the examples I gave you that show that it is evil. So be it.
 

Dan_473

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I'm not here to be taught why fiat currency is good. You've persuaded yourself that fiat currency is good in spite of the examples I gave you that show that it is evil. So be it.
The examples that you gave are incomplete.

Proverbs 18: 17. He who pleads his cause first seems right; until another comes and questions him.
 
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He didn't come here to learn anything, he came here to deceive others.
 
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The examples that you gave are incomplete.

Proverbs 18: 17. He who pleads his cause first seems right; until another comes and questions him.
There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death.
Proverbs 14:12

If a wise man goes to court with a fool, there will be raving and laughing with no resolution.
Proverbs 29:9

A false balance is an abomination to Yehovah, but a just weight is his delight.
Proverbs 11:1
 
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Obedience is not legalism.
Actually it is, obedience to a law is legalism.

As well, grace and the law do not mix.

Rom 7:6: "But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

You speak frequently of the Torah and never of the New Testament why is that?
 
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Who wants to carry 2 thousand dollars in coins in their pocket, in the old days even Jesus and His disciples carried coins a bank account.
 

Dan_473

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There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death.
Proverbs 14:12

If a wise man goes to court with a fool, there will be raving and laughing with no resolution.
Proverbs 29:9

A false balance is an abomination to Yehovah, but a just weight is his delight.
Proverbs 11:1
Three great Proverbs from the old testament!

You probably already know this, but the New testament translates God's personal name as
Master
Rather than
Yehovah or Yahweh
 

Sipsey

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Gold does have a degree of commercial value, but I would argue that beyond what someone is willing to trade for it, it’s value really lies in the “perception” of its value. You can’t eat it and it’s value is not determined by you or me, but by the market. Here is an article that says the same.

The statement of intrinsic value means that people seem to think that somehow gold is mythical in that it is automatically always accepted as an exchange method. People say something like “the gold standard.” That refers to several things, but I’m just saying in the sense of if things go bad, gold will always work to be exchanged for things. That is not true, so that’s not intrinsic value.

Certainly, you can melt gold down and it has some utilitarian value. Silver has gone up because it’s being used a lot in microchips and those kinds of things, so it’s got a utilitarian value that way—a use value. Gold is no more valuable than someone else’s willingness to accept it in exchange for something. It’s what my friend Rabbi Lapin, who wrote the book Thou Shall Prosper, says that money in that sense is spiritual—not in the sense that it’s a religious spiritual thing, but it’s spiritual in that if I’m willing to accept beads in exchange for food or beads in exchange for a place to sleep, then that might have been the case with Columbus.

In other cases, people might be willing to accept rocks in exchange for something else. Some people might exchange paper that has a certain color to it. The only reason we’re willing to exchange that is because we think that someone else will later exchange it for something else. The paper itself does not have value. It’s just green paper. The gold rock does not have value. It’s just a gold rock. The only value that anything has is to the extent that someone else would pay for it, in terms of a medium of exchange to operate an economy on.
 
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Actually it is, obedience to a law is legalism.

As well, grace and the law do not mix.

Rom 7:6: "But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

You speak frequently of the Torah and never of the New Testament why is that?
I quote both, hence my bible studies that quote the entire scriptures, whereas you people only look at the new testament and completely ignore the Torah, and you get angry when I do quote the Torah, because you hate the Torah.
 
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I quote both, hence my bible studies that quote the entire scriptures, whereas you people only look at the new testament and completely ignore the Torah, and you get angry when I do quote the Torah, because you hate the Torah.
Can you find a place where someone here has stated they hate the Torah?

What born again believers hate is when any scripture is used without context, or when one builds an entire theory upon one verse in scripture.
 
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Three great Proverbs from the old testament!

You probably already know this, but the New testament translates God's personal name as
Master
Rather than
Yehovah or Yahweh
Because the name of God is now Yeshuah, through which all worship towards God must be done under the new covenant. However, for the sake of translation accuracy, I choose to render the original names in English according to how they should actually be pronounced. Yehovah in the old testament, hence YHVH, and Yeshuah in the new testament.
 
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Can you find a place where someone here has stated they hate the Torah?

What born again believers hate is when any scripture is used without context, or when one builds an entire theory upon one verse in scripture.
Oh, so you love the Torah then? Stupendous.
 

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I'm not here to be taught why fiat currency is good. You've persuaded yourself that fiat currency is good in spite of the examples I gave you that show that it is evil. So be it.
Fiat currency may not be the best financial instrument but it is the only one available to most people and necessary in order pay bills, buy food, shelter, transportation, and all of the things needed to have any quality of life.

As I have asked you before, how do you live and what is a practical alternative to fiat currency? You have offered no alternatives nor have stated how you get the things necessary to live and hopefully thrive.

The bible says that the love of money is the root of all evil, it does not say however that money in itself is evil. There is a big difference.
 

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I quote both, hence my bible studies that quote the entire scriptures, whereas you people only look at the new testament and completely ignore the Torah, and you get angry when I do quote the Torah, because you hate the Torah.
“you people” 🙄
 
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Fiat currency may not be the best financial instrument but it is the only one available to most people and necessary in order pay bills, buy food, shelter, transportation, and all of the things needed to have any quality of life.

As I have asked you before, how do you live and what is a practical alternative to fiat currency? You have offered no alternatives nor have stated how you get the things necessary to live and hopefully thrive.

The bible says that the love of money is the root of all evil, it does not say however that money in itself is evil. There is a big difference.
I have prepaid for things in advance, and exchanged my fiat currency for things I need. The love of money was indeed the root of all evil, but now money itself has become the root of all evil, because our money today is not gold and silver as it was before, it is paper money and fiat currency, which is used to steal from the world, through devaluation, which therefore makes everyone who possess it as culpable as those who issue, the mark of the beast.
 
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