Prophesying Forbidden

You know full well that the name cessationist does not properly describe a biblical understanding of 1 Cor 13:8. There is no point in relitigating the argument. Three gifts ended the rest continue.

I do not need to inquire why the "flaming" Pentecostals covet the three gifts that ended.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

That is further evidence that the situation described in the passage has not been fulfilled yet. Paul is also leading up to his discussion of the resurrection at the coming of Christ, and 'then cometh the end' (telos) in chapter 15.

Fortunately, we do not have to guess, since earlier in the epistle, Paul frames the discussion of the topic for his epistle:

I Corinthians 1:7
7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

The bible uses the phrase "batting the air"
Cessationists exercise tireless energy to "prove" God no longer has power through his disciples.

Unimaginable to take such a position (faithlessly devoted to shake the faith of those that believe the bible and God are true) ,and then pray for some miracle that they are in need of.

What a pit.

Great,great,great deception.

ah yes

now you have been formaly introduced to Roger!

I've dialogued with him before. I've just been away from the forum for a while.

You would believe, then, that you do not have the gift of knowledge?

But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. I Corinthians 12:31

I undrstand some people believe certain gifts ended

for those people, it is my understanding they did indeed end

What do you say.Have they ended. Or is there no such thing as a "sign gift" (one seen)

I have searched and find none .The word sign and gift do not appear together to create one doctrine. Spiritual gifts not seen, yes. Gifts seen to confirm, no .

The problem arises if you have already agreed not to do so, and if you are faced with an agreement not to speak if the Spirit directs you to, would you sign it?

Allowing people to speak their carnal thoughts and forbidding them to speak words as they are directed by the Spirit on a Christian forum is a bad recipe. So was not allowing discussion on the Biblical responsibilities in marriage, but allowing the opposite opinion to be aired.

So if you sign this form, is does that mean you have a 'sign gift' ...sorry, its rather confusing.

I remember I was banned a few times on that forum for just posting scripture they didnt like. Also the mods tried to reeducate me and say I was offending catholics, or those who dont read the Bible. Couldnt win.

Oh well their loss.

Accountability: On a public Forum, like this or Worthy, anyone can run around 'prophesying' "Thus saith the Lord" without repercussions. In a Church setting where it can personally be found false, the false prophet can and should be dealt with to protect the other members.

I used to be active on Christianforums, but they put up a new set of rules a while back. I did not agree and so I was inactive, maybe because I did not want to read a long page of rules at the time.

I thought about signing up again, and I came across this in the rules. I found this objectionable, "Personal Prophecy (prophetic utterance) will be considered off-topic to all site forums."

I Corinthians 14 says '...covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak in tongues.' Prophesying is emphasized here over speaking in tongues, so it stands to reason that if we are to covet it, we are not to forbid it. Earlier of church meetings, he commanded, passing on what he emphatically stated were the commandments of the Lord, "Let the prophets speak... and 'For ye may all prophesy....' Paul commanded the Thessalonians 'Despise not prophesyings...'

My understanding is that prophesying generally involves speaking as moved/carried-along by the Holy Ghost as Peter described Old Testament prophecy. It could be other forms of communication as well like singing, even the use of musical instruments. Typically Old Testament prophets prophesied in the first person and sometimes preceded their quotes from God with 'Thus saith the Lord'. But Peter called David a prophet and not all of his prophetic Psalms follow this format. John even said Caiaphas prophesied when he said that one Man should die for the people. Caiaphas probably did not even know that he was prophesying.

If it is possible to prophesy-- to speak under the moving of the Spirit-- without even knowing it, why would one agree never to give prophetic utterance? The rule said personal prophesy, but many posts on the forum there are personal advice to an OP. So if the Spirit moves an individual to type out a piece of advice, it is forbidden to do so, but advice from one's own mind is allowed?

And what about those in the Reformed movement who define prophesying to be faithful preaching and teaching of the scriptures. If a pastor who posts faithfully uses the scriptures to instruct an individual with a bit of personal information, couldn't they consider that 'prophesying.' I see a distinction between prophesying and teaching in scripture, but if one sees this as prophesying, why would he agree to such a rule?

I wanted to send someone from ChristianForums a little note explaining that I would not agree to their terms for the reasons stated above, but I could not reach anyone without agreeing to the terms. So I thought I would vent a bit here since the topic might make a good topic for discussion.

Do denominations, pastors, or churches have the authority to override the 'commandments of the Lord' in I Corinthians 14 that permit prophesying? Should a Christian discussion board attempt to forbid individuals from speaking as moved by the Holy Spirit?

I used to be active on Christianforums, but they put up a new set of rules a while back. I did not agree and so I was inactive, maybe because I did not want to read a long page of rules at the time.

I thought about signing up again, and I came across this in the rules. I found this objectionable, "Personal Prophecy (prophetic utterance) will be considered off-topic to all site forums."

I Corinthians 14 says '...covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak in tongues.' Prophesying is emphasized here over speaking in tongues, so it stands to reason that if we are to covet it, we are not to forbid it. Earlier of church meetings, he commanded, passing on what he emphatically stated were the commandments of the Lord, "Let the prophets speak... and 'For ye may all prophesy....' Paul commanded the Thessalonians 'Despise not prophesyings...'

My understanding is that prophesying generally involves speaking as moved/carried-along by the Holy Ghost as Peter described Old Testament prophecy. It could be other forms of communication as well like singing, even the use of musical instruments. Typically Old Testament prophets prophesied in the first person and sometimes preceded their quotes from God with 'Thus saith the Lord'. But Peter called David a prophet and not all of his prophetic Psalms follow this format. John even said Caiaphas prophesied when he said that one Man should die for the people. Caiaphas probably did not even know that he was prophesying.

If it is possible to prophesy-- to speak under the moving of the Spirit-- without even knowing it, why would one agree never to give prophetic utterance? The rule said personal prophesy, but many posts on the forum there are personal advice to an OP. So if the Spirit moves an individual to type out a piece of advice, it is forbidden to do so, but advice from one's own mind is allowed?

And what about those in the Reformed movement who define prophesying to be faithful preaching and teaching of the scriptures. If a pastor who posts faithfully uses the scriptures to instruct an individual with a bit of personal information, couldn't they consider that 'prophesying.' I see a distinction between prophesying and teaching in scripture, but if one sees this as prophesying, why would he agree to such a rule?

I wanted to send someone from ChristianForums a little note explaining that I would not agree to their terms for the reasons stated above, but I could not reach anyone without agreeing to the terms. So I thought I would vent a bit here since the topic might make a good topic for discussion.

Do denominations, pastors, or churches have the authority to override the 'commandments of the Lord' in I Corinthians 14 that permit prophesying? Should a Christian discussion board attempt to forbid individuals from speaking as moved by the Holy Spirit?

Rrivate interpretation as private revelations only look to widen the authority of the book of prophecy which is all things written in the law and the prophets. We can offer our private interpretation as personal commentaries in that way their must be heresies or sect as denominations amongst us . But when looking to add or subtract from the whole and in doing so destroy the seven seals .Then we know another kind of spirt is a work opposing the gospel (sola scriptura) Again widening the authority of the book of prophecy ..sola scriptura

18 I warn everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds anything to these, God will give that person the plagues written about in this book. 19 And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away that person’s share of the tree of life and of the holy city, which are written about in this book.Revelation 22

The danger of "Personal Prophecy (prophetic utterance) the work of mystics .

It is possible for other members to exercise discernment on a forum like this.

Your comments are misguided at best. You have been told repeatedly that people who believe in the presently-active gift of prophecy do not believe that it is intended to be additions to Scripture, yet you keep decrying it as though they do.

Why are you so resistant to learning?

Your comments are misguided at best. You have been told repeatedly that people who believe in the presently-active gift of prophecy do not believe that it is intended to be additions to Scripture, yet you keep decrying it as though they do.

Why are you so resistant to learning?

Cessationist believe certain spiritual gifts have ceased. Between one cessationist and another, which gift ceased and their theological arguments for why they believe they have ceased may not agree with one another. Usually, speaking in tongues is on that list of gifts they would do away with. Cessationism is a rather late viewpoint, historically. Some groups of cessationists use the term 'sign gifts' to refer to gifts that they think were signs, and usually they use this term as a category to put all the gifts they want to do away with in, so they can say the sign gifts ceased. 'Sign gifts' is not a term found in scripture. Garee seems to think people who believe these gifts today like the term 'sign gifts.' I've pointed the problem with this line of reasoning out to him in the past.

My OP was also not about digitally signing a form agreeing not to engage in personal prophecy or prophetic utterance on another forum. So there are at least two types of signs or signing being discussed.

Your comments are misguided at best. You have been told repeatedly that people who believe in the presently-active gift of prophecy do not believe that it is intended to be additions to Scripture, yet you keep decrying it as though they do.

Why are you so resistant to learning?