Not By Works

I didn't say that.
I said it suggests they had at one time been illuminated.
Unsaved people can be illuminated. And if they believe the illuminated person then becomes saved.
Illuminated all by itself does not mean saved or unsaved. It can refer to both an unsaved person and a saved person.

But wasn't it you who said the illuminated people in Hebrews 6:4 are not saved?

But wasn't it you who said the illuminated people in Hebrews 6:4 are not saved?

Being despised and rejected will not save your either.

All your high sounding words, sentiments and grand notions about love are meaningless apart from the truth of Gospel.

Your works, your love, your devotion, your kindness, do not save!

When you encounter harsh words, people who mock you, laugh at you, issue condemnation, verbal attacks, as much as verbal may be construed on a message forum, maybe recall how the enemy, the tempter, applies slings and arrows against the Children of God so as to dissuade them from their purpose in Christ.
If the tempter spirit can get a Christian to speak their language, hate filled words, sarcasm, cutting pejoratives intended to hurt that Christian's feelings, etc..., they win a victory over that Christian who is suppose to be in peace, in Christ. It's like a game. If they can lead a Christian to fail in putting on Christ and being Christ like in their exchanges with people, they can then show that being a Christian isn't all it is cracked up to be.

Remember Jesus during his fast in the wilderness? The tempter was there trying to lead Jesus from his mission.
The Book of Matthew chapter 4:3 And the Tempter having come to him said, `If Son thou art of God -- speak that these stones may become loaves.'

Can you imagine? If Jesus had said to Himself, I'm so hungry, I think I'll do that. And did make those stones into bread, how pleased the tempter would have been.

Satan roams this world like a hungry lion seeking souls to devour.
What would lead us to think a website who's banner announces it is dedicated to Christ wouldn't gain the Tempter and his disciples attention?

Stay strong in the light my sister/brother. When God has your back, nothing can stand against you.
Don't follow where the darkness invites you to go. Don't be tempted to flee a Christian forum you enjoy , due to the harassment that comes your way.
If we can't stand against the enemy that comes at us through a keyboard, how will we fare in the world offline?
[hugs you]
(There's an ignore function on your profile. If you mouse over the name of someone you'll see a little drop down menu appear. There will be a button in the middle that says, "Ignore". If you depress that, nothing of the member you've chosen to ignore will appear to you anymore.
You will not know when someone is speaking to them in a thread, because that persons quoted post will not appear. Just as anything they write does not. But if you want to know to whom someone may be responding, just scroll down the page and you'll see a message at the bottom right of the thread page that says, "show ignored content". If you click on that message and then scroll back up the same page, you'll see the posts of anyone you have on your ignore list that have contributed to that thread.
Just an FYI. )
Sometimes, the love of Christ post after post doesn't make a difference. Sometimes we have to save ourselves by ignoring agents of the Tempter.

God loves us! You have a right to participate on a forum without being insulted while you're there.
God bless you .

What is "illuminated?'

Where is this term used in the new testament?

Being despised and rejected will not save your either.

What is "illuminated?'

Where is this term used in the new testament?

Good morning/evening all...
Gods promises are beautiful , read this reminder from our LORD Jesus Christ , and may your hearts be filled with joy...

ive done metal work too and that doesnt pay that much here. now we know why trump said america is the best.

I see how it is. Flexing in that lounge over there bro. I see you. IM WALKING.

Its aiight doe, IM COMING!

This gypsy is going FIRST CLASS one of these days.

"How did he get in?"
-"I OWN THIS PLANE"

I only take adjustment from the initiator of this thread @dcontroversal and you are not him.

Salvation not being by works is synonymous with salvation being secure .... if there was nothing we could do to earn salvation there sure enough is nothing we can do to loose it....since our works/righteousness/ law keeping have no bearing on either side.

Here is the meaning of the Greek word 'photizo', and the Bible references where it is used.

Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

1 Strong's Number: g5461 Greek: photizo

Enlighten:

from phos, "light,"

(a), used intransitively, signifies "to give light, shine," Rev 22:5;

(b), used transitively, "to enlighten, illumine," is rendered "enlighten" in Eph 1:18, metaphorically of spiritual "enlightenment;" so Jhn 1:9, i.e., "lighting every man" (by reason of His coming); Eph 3:9, "to make (all men) see" (RV marg., "to bring to light"); Hbr 6:4, "were enlightened;" Hbr 10:32, RV, "enlightened," AV, "illuminated."

See ILLUMINATED, LIGHT. Cp. photismos, "light," and photeinos, "full of light."


101 Verb Strong's Number: g5461 Greek: photizo

Light, Noun, and Verb (Bring To, Give), Lighten:
used
(a) intrasitively, signifies "to shine, give light," Rev 22:5;

(b) transitively,

(1) "to illumine, to light, enlighten, to be lightened," Luk 11:36; Rev 21:23; in the Passive Voice, Rev 18:1; metaphorically, of spiritual enlightenment, Jhn 1:9; Eph 1:18; 3:9, "to make... see;" Hbr 6:4; 10:32, "ye were enlightened," RV (AV, "... illuminated");

(2) "to bring to light," 1Cr 4:5 (of God's act in the future); 2Ti 1:10 (of God's act in the past).
See ENLIGHTEN, ILLUMINATE.

No, In the greek, He said they do not LIVE or HABITUALLY sin.

Again, Study. John did not contradict himself.



John never said we stopped. He said we do not LIVE in sin.

A pharisee thinks he is not like the sinner, even paul called himself a sinner,



you do not understand the passage at all, it does not say you have ceased from sin

No ones falls away from being saved.

What does that subject have to do with salvation not being by works (the topic of this thread)?

Salvation not being by works is synonymous with salvation being secure .... if there was nothing we could do to earn salvation there sure enough is nothing we can do to loose it....since our works/righteousness/ law keeping have no bearing on either side.

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Whispered your refreshing, but so that you know, it dosent bother me that people despise and reject me, its good for us to sufer with Christ, but it bothers me that they are doing it to Christ. I dont put anyone on ignore for that reason. I would rather face and learn that I cant help anyone change and to come to God and be changed. A few years ago I was in an argument about Jesus being God and after leaving, the Lord told me: I dont need your help. Seems simple but a hard leson to learn: we cant help others walk in Love and must come to Him continually for help.
Dcontroversial admitted 3 years ago that he likes this page because its controversial. He admited this on another page he started, where there was no controvercy and people would lose interest. Neither does that bother me, after all we are called as fishers of men, except for those who are thaught that they cant take the bible out of context, for them this would only aply to Peter. Do you understand what I just said? Many are thought that the Word of God only aplies in the comtext writen and there is nothing for them to do, and there is nothing you or I can do to change that. Neither does God need them to go on to perfection to fulfil His purpose. Few are permitted to go on to perfection, few are willing to forsake their treasure in this life, for Grace to be multiplied so that nothing is impossible to them. "Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been." We are called to suffer with Christ and be missunderstood. Prepare your heart for an inner journey.
"Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many I say to you, will seek to enter in and shall not be able.”
"One thing is needful and Marie has chosen that good part that will not be taken from her."
Marie Magdalene expressed her appreciation waiting on the Lord. Her heart poured out to Him in thankfulness: as a fragrance of admiration worship and encouragement on His Journey to the cross. "One thing is needful and Marie has chosen that good part that will not be taken from her." Those exercised in Godliness comprehend this “One thing needful,” as the influence of Grace to wait on the Lord and not take things in our hands again: to persevere through uncertain times and be renewed. One thing, otherwise divided between achievements and Grace. "Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but One thing I do; forgetting what lies behind and reaching forth, I press toward the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Let us therefore as many as are going on to perfection be like-minded."

This thread is about salvation not being by works, not that salvation is secure because it is not by works.

Let's talk about the OP and why salvation is not by works of the law. There are several good reasons. For starters, it isn't by works because you'd have to keep the whole law, which no one can do.