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EleventhHour

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Good luck...one must actually trust JESUS by genuine faith......these clowns peddle a dime store faith that is not started, finished and completed by JESUS
Agree completely... how can anyone trust Jesus for salvation if they believe that it can be lost/forsaken... complete contradiction... then they are not really trusting Jesus.
 
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Actually the word would be factual...........and I suggest you look up and memorise

TRUTH
Context
Eternal
Everlasting
Saved
Justified
Uttermost
Irrevocable
Lose NOTHING
KEPT
IN
SEALED UNTO

and on and on and on.......You clowns will pay the eternal price for devaluing JESUS, his power, promises, work on behalf of those actually SAVED
 

Chris1975

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Agree completely... how can anyone trust Jesus for salvation if they believe that it can be lost/forsaken... complete contradiction... then they are not really trusting Jesus.
Some more. Free of charge:

18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who [i]have actually escaped from those who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of [j]corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into [k]bondage. 20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”
 

Chris1975

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Actually the word would be factual...........and I suggest you look up and memorise

TRUTH
Context
Eternal
Everlasting
Saved
Justified
Uttermost
Irrevocable
Lose NOTHING
KEPT
IN
SEALED UNTO

and on and on and on.......You clowns will pay the eternal price for devaluing JESUS, his power, promises, work on behalf of those actually SAVED
Again no facts addressing the actual Hebrews 10v29 verse.
 
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EleventhHour

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Some more. Free of charge:

18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who [i]have actually escaped from those who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of [j]corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into [k]bondage. 20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”
Loss of salvation not in view... I read nothing of them going to eternal damnation.
 

Chris1975

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Another point to ponder. Why does Paul warn the Church against false doctrine and false teachers, if those in the Church are not under any risk?

Don't just overlook this question. Think about it....
 

Lightskin

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Let me tell you something.................... not one single letter, chapter or verse in the New Testament is written about losing one's salvation.... once you understand this then maybe, just maybe, you can understand what you are reading.
This ^^^^^ received a Red X. Unbelievable.
 
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But how do you know the Word did not bring them back?
We don't know either way.
The point is, the Galatians, and Corinthians, and the Hebrews all show us that 1 John 2:19 does not mean what once saved always saved says it means. They left.
 
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EleventhHour

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spend some time on verse 21.....and read it again for good measure.
You are adding to the text... this happens all the time with people who preach salvation is temporary and conditional...... you do realize that by stating salvation can be lost you make Jesus ineffectual, His work on no effect.
 

Chris1975

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You are adding to the text... this happens all the time with people who preach salvation is temporary and conditional...... you do realize that by stating salvation can be lost you make Jesus ineffectual, His work on no effect.
Jesus doesnt drag you into heaven kicking and screaming against His Word. P.S. have you red v21 again?
 

PennEd

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This scripture: Hebrews 10v29. Lets put it up again. Little babes could understand it:

29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

No amount of contortionist act will be able to overcome what is plainly written there.
Staggering that the works guys don't see the irony in posting about THE SPIRIT OF GRACE, while they simultaneously INSULT THE SPIRIT OF GRACE, and trample on the Son of God, by WORKING for what HE has already done!!

And to use this verse as some kind of a proof that you have to continuously work to keep, and stay sinless, or our heavenly Father will toss His Kids into the Lake of Fire, would be beyond humorous, if it wasn't so incredibly tragic for them on judgement day.
 
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This ^^^^^ received a Red X. Unbelievable.
When dealing with men that claim Christ, but regularly peddle that which is not of GOD..no surprise there....SATAN did the same thing with the word....

HATH GOD really said....and then embellish the h--- out of it to lead people to the pit....

We see the same thing over and over and over in this very thread.....the only difference is the following...

HATH GOD really said ONE is eternally secure......then embellish the h--- out of it to lead people to the pit........

This is VERY harsh, VERY pointed, but TRUE nonetheless.....
 
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Departing from Jesus Christ is unfathomable to me!
Once saved always saved says believers never leave, or else it shows they were never saved to begin with.
The Corinthians, the Galatians, and the Hebrew church left.
Did they stay away?
Don't know.
We just know they left.
But once saved always saved says if you leave you were never saved to begin with.
Obviously, they are not interpreting 1 John 2:19 correctly.
And, yet, this seems to be the cornerstone of their doctrine.
Even John himself doesn't allow that interpretation of 1 John 2:19.