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PennEd

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Please tell me you’re pro-life.
How is it possible that seemingly intelligent Christians either can not see, or rationalize away, voting democrat, third party, or abstaining?

If you had to chuck the REST of the GOP platform, (although I think it is very good) how can saving the life of unborn children not TRUMP hatred for President Trump?
The GOP in general, and Trump in particular, is personally responsible for baby human beings being alive today, that WOULD have been torn to pieces and sold to labs if a Democrat were in office.
If a Democrat were elected in 2020, babies WILL be murdered, that WOULDN'T have been, if Trump were re-elected. It's really THAT simple.

You CANNOT rationalize your way out of that truth.
 

PennEd

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Does ANYONE believe they would EVER see a Democrat President deliver a Christmas message like THIS one?
 

calibob

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How is it possible that seemingly intelligent Christians either can not see, or rationalize away, voting democrat, third party, or abstaining?

If you had to chuck the REST of the GOP platform, (although I think it is very good) how can saving the life of unborn children not TRUMP hatred for President Trump?
The GOP in general, and Trump in particular, is personally responsible for baby human beings being alive today, that WOULD have been torn to pieces and sold to labs if a Democrat were in office.
If a Democrat were elected in 2020, babies WILL be murdered, that WOULDN'T have been, if Trump were re-elected. It's really THAT simple.

You CANNOT rationalize your way out of that truth.
Because the flaw of our system is we don't have the right to chose for ourselves. We can only pick who chooses for us or abstain. That's part of our rights under freedom of religion like not serving in the military and not bowing to, kneeling or saluting leaders, flags, songs or statues.

Why don't you get it? The spirit of the law trumps the letter of the law. That's why our founding Fathers rebelled against the King. That's why the Amish, Hutterites, Friends, Bible Brethren and many others are allowed to live here in peace unmolested by whatever ruler or party happens to be in power.
 

PennEd

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Because the flaw of our system is we don't have the right to chose for ourselves. We can only pick who chooses for us or abstain. That's part of our rights under freedom of religion like not serving in the military and not bowing to, kneeling or saluting leaders, flags, songs or statues.

Why don't you get it? The spirit of the law trumps the letter of the law. That's why our founding Fathers rebelled against the King. That's why the Amish, Hutterites, Friends, Bible Brethren and many others are allowed to live here in peace unmolested by whatever ruler or party happens to be in power.
Don't know the rest, but many Amish vote Bob. Also, this doesn't negate a SINGLE thing about what I said regarding babies being murdered because a Dem gets in.
 

Whispered

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My daughter was a team supervisor at the local Obama care call center after a few years. She had been a medical front office and billing specialist before hand. She never could make sense out of the AHC act. How were the beneficiaries supposed to, if the staff couldn't either?
Truly.
I remember when the PPACA was still in the chamber. A Congressman stood up and said, I'm paraphrasing of course but this is what he was rightly criticizing about the bill. He said that he and other members were also lawyers. And that try as they might among them not one could make out what the bill was actually saying. Then he said, when lawyers can't figure this thing out the American people are in trouble.

He was right.
I remember too when activists against the PPACA would talk about the bill containing language pertaining to death panels. Panels of overseers that would review an elderly patients case, on a case by case basis, to determine if their malady was worth the expenditure given their advanced age.
42 USC 1320e-1: Limitations on certain uses of comparative clinical effectiveness research Text contains those laws in effect on December 24, 2019
From Title 42-THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELFARECHAPTER 7-SOCIAL SECURITYSUBCHAPTER XI-GENERAL PROVISIONS, PEER REVIEW, AND ADMINISTRATIVE SIMPLIFICATIONPart D-Comparative Clinical Effectiveness Research

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I can tell you that I know a woman who's older sister, she was 97 at the time, was let to die. I won't go into the details because the case is still pending, however, the chart of this woman cross compared to what would be normal treatment for her condition is remarkable. In short, she was given pain killers and antibiotics for a condition that needed surgery and rehabilitation to insure her survival.
I know another woman who's niece was in hospital and while she was able to make a recovery because she was a young child, she none the less passed on. While her organs, unbeknownst to the family, were harvested for living donors.

The thing about the organ donor demarcation on the drivers license, as many states now allow, is that you aren't necessarily going to have your viable organs transplanted into a living donor. Rather, they are able to be used for scientific research instead. That you allow your viable organs to be donated is all that you know you are consenting to. There is no stipulation your donation actually be used to save someone's life.
And if someone who is rich and powerful needs an organ you are a match for if you're in the hospital, well, God be with you. VP Cheney received a heart transplant in a matter of weeks after he was told that was his only option after his latest heart attack.

And years ago in 1993 Pennsylvania Governor Casey made news in that he needed a double organ transplant.
He was on the operating table 24 hours after he was put on the transplant list.
Casey's Quick Transplant Renews Ethics Debate

People spend years on waiting lists for organ donations. But not those two.
 

calibob

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#48
Don't know the rest, but many Amish vote Bob. Also, this doesn't negate a SINGLE thing about what I said regarding babies being murdered because a Dem gets in.
The point is it called freedom of religion. We can choose. You know that I militantly oppose abortion, sex change operations, more gay privilege's but I also oppose lending or borrowing money with interest, the federal reserve banking system, the national debit, pollution and getting involve in wars between two of our enemies. If I can't vote no then I'd be a hypocrite for choosing either side. James 5:12 12Above all, my brothers and sisters, do not swear-not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. All you need to say is a simple "Yes" or "No." Otherwise you will be condemned.
 

calibob

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Don't know the rest, but many Amish vote Bob. Also, this doesn't negate a SINGLE thing about what I said regarding babies being murdered because a Dem gets in.
I brought them up because they came here because they refused to fight for or support any rulers. They still don't have to.
 

Nehemiah6

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That's why the Amish, Hutterites, Friends, Bible Brethren and many others are allowed to live here in peace unmolested by whatever ruler or party happens to be in power.
That would change in a hurry if the extreme Leftists and Christian-haters who are now in the Democratic party ever had power. They would try to take away religious freedom and promote Islam. If you don't believe this check out the numerous news reports about how Muslims are trying to control Christians in America.

Islam Promoted in Public Schools, Christianity Banned
A new report out of West Virginia says Mountain Ridge middle school students in Gerrardstown were asked to practice writing the Islamic declaration of faith known as the “shahada” in Arabic calligraphy. Translated into English, the statement claims, “There is no god but Allah. Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.”

https://www.freedomproject.com/chri...romoted-in-public-schools-christianity-banned
 

calibob

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JFK; Christmas 1961 "Christmas expresses the deepest hopes for a world of peace where love rather than mistrust will flourish between neighbors."
 

Deade

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I brought them up because they came here because they refused to fight for or support any rulers. They still don't have to.
We have a lot of Amish and Mennonites in Mayes and Rogers near me here in Oklahoma. I kind of look up to them for standing their ground. But I ask them sometimes what they think about letting others pay with their blood for their freedoms. They usually answer that those that believe are free to do so. Then I say God's plan must be workable in our societies to be valid. If we all laid our guns down, someone will be at our borders shortly to take over. Can anyone say "sieg heil" bou-ques-mrk.gif
 

calibob

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We have a lot of Amish and Mennonites in Mayes and Rogers near me here in Oklahoma. I kind of look up to them for standing their ground. But I ask them sometimes what they think about letting others pay with their blood for their freedoms. They usually answer that those that believe are free to do so. Then I say God's plan must be workable in our societies to be valid. If we all laid our guns down, someone will be at our borders shortly to take over. Can anyone say "sieg heil" View attachment 208821
Not all of us are passivists. Our associate pastor was an Army Chaplin and most of the men around here are Vets including me. We have the right to choose when, where and who to fight and what for. We, the modern Mennonite Brethren don't drive horses' and buggies or use candles, oil lamps or churns. We realize that if our military lays down their arms we will get over run and we will lose our right to choose, but we reserve the constitutional right to choose. Nixon was a Quaker.

We pray for the President every Sunday. Although I can't stand the guy, I oppose this kangaroo court. The election is 11 months away. Let the voters decide. This is still a democratic republic after all.
 
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kaylagrl

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probably the same way people might respond to being told they're not Christian because they didn't vote for him.

unclear about 'who started it' lol

we're such sheep.
I wouldn't say someone who didn't vote for him isn't a Christian. But if someone votes for Dems I do have a hard time believing they are a Christian.
 

Deade

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Not all of us are passivists. Our associate pastor was an Army Chaplin and most of the men around here are Vets including me. We have the right to choose when, where and who to fight and what for. We, the modern Mennonite Brethren don't drive horses' and buggies or use candles, oil lamps or churns. We realize that if our military lays down their arms we will get over run and we will lose our right to choose, but we reserve the constitutional right to choose. Nixon was a Quaker.

We pray for the President every Sunday. Although I can't stand the guy, I oppose this kangaroo court. The election is 11 months away. Let the voters decide. This is still a democratic republic after all.
That is all I was saying. I love the idea that they can choose to serve or not. But don't let them speak against self-defense, because it is not logical. The COG Seventh-Day, Denver Conference, were conscientious objectors also but they knew I wasn't and they accepted that. I believe I shared on how the Lord dealt with me on self-defense in both my books. 6-old-thumbsup.gif
 

calibob

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That is all I was saying. I love the idea that they can choose to serve or not. But don't let them speak against self-defense, because it is not logical. The COG Seventh-Day, Denver Conference, were conscientious objectors also but they knew I wasn't and they accepted that. I believe I shared on how the Lord dealt with me on self-defense in both my books. View attachment 208823
They didn't have Bibles in the Lords days as a man on earth, it wasn't finished yet and when he said this I doubt if he was talking about cutting cheese; Luke 22:36 He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. BSB
 

calibob

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Just what is it the conservatives are in favor of conserving? Land, water, air, wildlife? Public schools, public roads, public health?

Or taxes?
 

Lightskin

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Does ANYONE believe they would EVER see a Democrat President deliver a Christmas message like THIS one?
For everyone who bashes President Trump for not being Christian, he proclaims Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior at the ten second mark.