Not By Works

Shows the depths to which they must descend to promote their self saving Gospel...they have to malign grace and the actual work of the cross.

A completely ignorant post.......
Man, what I want to write.... best I stop.

I'm thinking if you check in with a Calvinist believer in this forum you'll see that they believe 1 John 2:19 means the true believer will never leave the faith or it shows him to have never been a real believer. Now I'm used to people changing their colors when you confront them about things, but maybe they'll be honest and stick to their argument and tell you that's what 1 John 2:19 means in Calvinism without adding some kind of caveat to it.


'Believes in practical holiness'. What does that mean to them?

There are many in this forum and other forums that believe since they have been elected to salvation they do not have to live holy lives to be saved, but then of course they will talk about how they will want to, blah, blah, blah. I'm not saying that means they will indulge themselves of the right not to. It means they can if they want.

Can't read that post right now, but let's just cut to the chase.

Calvinism, irregardless of it's various offshoots, has spawned this vein of thought in the church (which is now a flowing out of control river) that since God picked you to be a believer, and others to not be a believer, there is nothing you can do, say, or think, or feel to change that. All once saved always saved beliefs, no matter the flavor and the details involved, is predicated on this fundamental Calvinist understanding of what it says 'election' means.

I think you have missed the boat on this post .......those that preach an absolutely false doctrine of works (NOSAS) are the ones that against Christ both in word and deed.

So where is the evil...with those against Christ or those who uphold only Christ?

Think hard before you answer.

Lets talk turkey then HOMESLICE

What does Romans 8:28-30 mean? WHY is it not the golden chain of redemption?

Come to think of it, WHY does the Bible even talk about election if it aint the CASE that certain people are ELECT of God. Many are called few are CHOSEN, mine ELECT, folks gon be deceived except for the ELECT, who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's ELECT, God has CHOSEN certain type of people not many wise, for the ELECT's sake the days are shortened.

You’re a member of a chat group using a phone and/or computer.That’s pretty earthly.

Be not conformed to this world. Can yall heretics stop using the internet?

The bottom line is you need to open your mind up to know there is an alternate understanding to what election actually means. Calvinism is only one understanding of what election means.

Aiight. I got my mind opened up right now (dont worry I didnt take nothing) so gimme gimme. WHAT alternative understanding can you offer me?

Why does the person who is saved, and who's salvation can not be undone, have to die so he can be saved when Jesus comes back?????

For starters, you are elected (chosen) on the basis of faith in Christ, not because you were predetermined (as in pre-manufactured) to be a believer.

God predetermined beforehand way in advance that the blessing would come through the way of faith, not works. But Calvin understands that as meaning YOU personally were predetermined, as in manufactured, to be a believer, not an unbeliever.

Preaching against grace and the Gospel based on grace..... comes from a heart of unbelief

Of course we are FREE to do so, but how many people do you know return to the enslavement of sin rather than remain FREE in Christ? Answer: <3

You're not getting what I'm saying.
If babies are born in Christ so easily and automatically because God just causes believing to show up in that person, why the birth pangs associated with bringing people to Christ, like in the case of the Galatians?

All it takes is ONE for 1 john 2:19 to not mean what once saved always saved insists that it means. And we have a whole bunch of them in the Galatian church to show us 'leaving' does NOT show you to have never been a believer.

You choose yourself then God chooses you. Dont sound like election, sounds like self-appointing. If you tell me more about what you mean by predetermined or pre-manufactured means, maybe then you got a point and it means actual election, God choosing.

The saving power of Jesus Christ is more powerful than the condemning power of our sin. That is exactly what you fail to comprehend hence why you believe your works maintain salvation.

No. Not all osas people agree with Calvinism.

Prolific. 😎

Well from my experience, most professing Christians dont even LEAVE the sin so they dont return to it, they aint never left!

We got the list of excuses piled up:
-Im addicted
-I cant help it
-Im weak
-My husband or wife sucks
-I got financial problems
-I got anxiety
-I got mental problems
-*insert excuse here*

I've heard it all, and ive also seen it all be OVERCOME by dedication. If people want to change they can do everything, we can do ALL THINGS through Christ. So that means if you take it seriously you can quit WHATEVER sin you want to quit on a PRACTICAL LEVEL, now, when it comes to sins in THOUGHTS, that might be more difficult to overcome

Its like I always say, how to stop X Y and Z sin? "DONT DO IT!" thats really easy and simple. Its just that folks dont wanna do it, but no one is forcing us to sin and God said He never tempts before above what they can handle and has provided a way out, thats how we know we aint got no excuse. BTW: as im typing this im not saying im no super Christian who dont sin, im just saying we all HAVE THE CAPABILITY and OPTION given to us by God to not indulge in sin!

THE SPIRIT IS WILLING but the FLESH is weak. We can get off of work for two weeks on vacation, but when it comes to gettingo off of work for a mission trip, EVERYONE GOTTA WORK all of a sudden, aint that right