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Beginning of Creation of God precedes man, He took on the flesh of man to do the will of The Father. Many accounts of him in the new testament are when he was in flesh but I am aware the he is the image of the invisible God and firstborn of every creature that declared him
Firstborn means pre-eminent.

I have heard all this before from Jehovah Witnesses.
 

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Beginning of Creation of God precedes man, He took on the flesh of man to do the will of The Father. Many accounts of him in the new testament are when he was in flesh but I am aware the he is the image of the invisible God and firstborn of every creature that declared him
The I AM was in the rock. When people were in the presence of Jesus they were in the presence I AM who is God.

Appearance is irrelevant.
 

iymus

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I am thinking you do not understand what Son of God means?
Son = Offspring / Creation / Child

Of = Possesion or signifies Possesion

God = Father

The Word is the only begotten offspring / creation and possession of The Father.

All in alignment with scripture since The Father is The Possessor / Lord of Heaven and Earth. "this gives me goosebumps:) "

Gen 14:22 And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,

Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
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Act 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
Act 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

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David himself showed that The Lord of Heaven and Earth has higher authority than our lord in the book of Psalms "read between the lines"

Luk 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

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not jehovah witness by the way; just saying.
 

iymus

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The I AM was in the rock. When people were in the presence of Jesus they were in the presence I AM who is God.

Appearance is irrelevant.
when people were in the presence of the only begotten son, they were in the presence of the one who represented and declared I Am That I Am. Nothing is new under the sun

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
Joh 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Ecc 1:10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
 

PS

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Son = Offspring / Creation

Of = Possesion or signifies Possesion

God = Father

The Word is the only begotten offspring / creation and possession of The Father.

All in alignment with scripture since The Father is The Possessor / Lord of Heaven and Earth. "this gives me goosebumps:) "

Gen 14:22 And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,

Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

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David himself showed that The Lord of Heaven and Earth has higher authority than our lord in the book of Psalms "read between the lines"

Luk 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Son of man is a reference to Mary. God had to become man to take the sins of man upon himself.

People become entrenched in their beliefs, they are not for changing and the best thing I can do is to either put people on ignore or not come on the religious forums. I just think it is a shame that the internet provides a platform whereby people can be led astray.
 
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when people were in the presence of the only begotten son, they were in the presence of the one who represented and declared I Am That I Am. Nothing is new under the sun

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
Joh 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Ecc 1:10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
What you peddle is Watch Tower crap....

Is Jesus God, yes or no...grow a set and answer with a simple yes or no....Do you believe Jesus is God
 
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I see that @PS gave me a bunch of red x's on truthful and biblical posts....no surprise there...most know he is anti-truth!
 
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You can red x all you want @PS and it won't help you when you stand before God and answer for all the truth you have opposed, denied and argued against pal!
 

PS

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You can red x all you want @PS and it won't help you when you stand before God and answer for all the truth you have opposed, denied and argued against pal!
You need to pay heed to ALL scripture, including the teaching on those who fall away from the faith, i.e. backsliders. To do otherwise, is to be a cult like the JW's.
 
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You need to pay heed to ALL scripture, including the teaching on those who fall away from the faith, i.e. backsliders. To do otherwise, is to be a cult like the JW's.
False.....and it is you pal that denies scripture to peddle a losable, self maintained false salvation....

Your Jeezus obviously does not finish and complete the work of faith like my Jesus does!!
 

VCO

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Commandments of God such as Deuteronomy 6:4 does not conform to doctrines and creeds such as the trinitarian creed or doctrine
that claims that God is a number in a number type substance or person such as one in three persons/ substances or three in one persons / substances.

Tell the Council of Nicea or whoever that, that doctrine did not come from MT Sinai on any tablets

I guess you did not read that this is a Trinitarian Site. BYE BYE.
 

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Son = Offspring / Creation / Child

Of = Possesion or signifies Possesion

God = Father

The Word is the only begotten offspring / creation and possession of The Father.

All in alignment with scripture since The Father is The Possessor / Lord of Heaven and Earth. "this gives me goosebumps:) "


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ALL OF US BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD, so you are wasting you time, we do not want to hear it.
 

PS

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False.....and it is you pal that denies scripture to peddle a losable, self maintained false salvation....

Your Jeezus obviously does not finish and complete the work of faith like my Jesus does!!
Jesus will be your judge for speaking so irreverently about Him. Remember, not All will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
 

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ALL OF US BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD, so you are wasting you time, we do not want to hear it.
Where is the forum's statement of faith please, I need to read it. Ta.
 
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Jesus will be your judge for speaking so irreverently about Him. Remember, not All will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Yep....the many that peddle what you peddle pal....and I stand against the Jeezus you peddle all day long because he is not the Jesus of the bible....!
 
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Yep.
It's the doctrine of the end times through which the great falling away is being precipitated.

Demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" (James 2:19)
Do you know the significance of this reference to Deuteronomy 6:4 to the context of what he's teaching?

Demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" (James 2:19) but they do not believe in/have faith in/trust in/reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation. In other words, they do not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and are not saved. (Acts 16:31) Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.
And that is exactly the point, mmd.
People who say they believe but do not have works of faith ARE NOT SAVED.
But once saved always saved tells that person not to worry, "as long as you made a profession of faith somewhere in the past all is good, because salvation is not by works, and you can't lose your salvation."

We are saved by the kind of faith that TRUSTS IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE FOR SALVATION (Ephesians 2:8,9) and this kind of faith results in producing works (though all genuine believers are fruitful, not all are equally fruitful). We are not saved by an empty profession of faith/dead faith that produces no works at all. (James 2:14)
And you think I'm saying something different?
I think your defensiveness is causing you to not read my posts fairly and accurately.
 
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Yep.
It's the doctrine of the end times through which the great falling away is being precipitated.


Do you know the significance of this reference to Deuteronomy 6:4 to the context of what he's teaching?


And that is exactly the point, mmd.
People who say they believe but do not have works of faith ARE NOT SAVED.
But once saved always saved tells that person not to worry, "as long as you made a profession of faith somewhere in the past all is good, because salvation is not by works, and you can't lose your salvation."


And you think I'm saying something different?
I think your defensiveness is causing you to not read my posts fairly and accurately.
Ralph....you obviously have no understanding of the apo-hystamie and or even salvation....your best bet....go start a milk toast thread, then actually read the bible with more than a micro gram of understanding......you will pay for undermining the word of God and Jesus......time is short....trust Jesus before it is too late!