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gb9

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You say you "believe" in Jesus. Do you believe His words?
yes.

do I perfectly keep them, all the time?

no. neither do you, or any other human on earth,

that is why it is important to obey Jesus when He says " whosoever believes in ME".

that we can do all the time.
 

PS

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The problem comes when we replace the baptism of God with the baptism in water, and hence attributing to man the work of God.

we are in serious danger.


i am not saying your doing this,just making a basic remark, I am not sure yet what you believe here,


circumcision was a huge sign in the OT. But that’s all it was a sign, NT jews demanded we must be circumcized to be cleansed,

sadly, many churches have replaced the physical act of circumcision with the. Physical act of water baptism.

paul makes it clear in Col 2. Is if the spiritual circumcision done by the hand of God through the spiritual baptism of the HS, that cleanses us (see also titus 3, it is the washing of regeneration of the HS which saves us)
And you have your false teaching Mr. perfect in the truth.
 

Rosemaryx

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1 Peter 2:25
For you were continually straying like sheep , but now you have returned to the Shepherd and GUARDIAN of your souls.

Thank You Jesus for guarding my soul through trials and tribulations , for being our strength when we are weak , for never blowing our light out , nor breaking us when we are broken like a reed ...
Thank You God that You PROTECT us, Your precious children by guarding our hearts & minds through Christ Jesus You beautiful Son our Savior...\:)/...
 

Chris1975

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no, it is not.

a true man of God is not going to make up non-sense about new York being engulfed in " 10,000 flames"
Revelation 17
18 And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.

Revelation 18
18 After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory. 2 And he cried [a]mightily with a loud voice, saying, “Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird! 3 For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the [b]abundance of her luxury.”
4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. 5 For her sins [c]have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. 6 Render to her just as she rendered [d]to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her. 7 In the measure that she glorified herself and lived [e]luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’ 8 Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who [f]judges her.
The World Mourns Babylon’s Fall
9 “The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her burning, 10 standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come.’
11 “And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore: 12 merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble; 13 and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of men. 14 The fruit that your soul longed for has gone from you, and all the things which are rich and splendid have [g]gone from you, and you shall find them no more at all. 15 The merchants of these things, who became rich by her, will stand at a distance for fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, 16 and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city that was clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls! 17 For in one hour such great riches [h]came to nothing.’ Every shipmaster, all who travel by ship, sailors, and as many as trade on the sea, stood at a distance 18 and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What is like this great city?’
19 “They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing, and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city, in which all who had ships on the sea became rich by her wealth! For in one hour she [i]is made desolate.’
20 “Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you [j]holy apostles and prophets, for God has avenged you on her!”

Finality of Babylon’s Fall
21 Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “Thus with violence the great city Babylon shall be thrown down, and shall not be found anymore. 22 The sound of harpists, musicians, flutists, and trumpeters shall not be heard in you anymore. No craftsman of any craft shall be found in you anymore, and the sound of a millstone shall not be heard in you anymore. 23 The light of a lamp shall not shine in you anymore, and the voice of bridegroom and bride shall not be heard in you anymore. For your merchants were the great men of the earth, for by your sorcery all the nations were deceived. 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.”
 

Chris1975

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yes.

do I perfectly keep them, all the time?

no. neither do you, or any other human on earth,

that is why it is important to obey Jesus when He says " whosoever believes in ME".

that we can do all the time.
So you want Him as saviour but not as Lord.
 
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It does not get any plainer..........Our righteous works have ZERO to do with Salvation!

English Standard Version
he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Berean Study Bible
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.

Berean Literal Bible
He saved us, not by works in righteousness that we did, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

New American Standard Bible
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

King James Bible
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
We can't be saved by our works or keeping the commandments BECAUSE we have sinned . AND the wages of sin is death .
So JESUS LOVED US & died in our place .
 

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1 Peter 2:25
For you were continually straying like sheep , but now you have returned to the Shepherd and GUARDIAN of your souls.

Thank You Jesus for guarding my soul through trials and tribulations , for being our strength when we are weak , for never blowing our light out , nor breaking us when we are broken like a reed ...
Thank You God that You PROTECT us, Your precious children by guarding our hearts & minds through Christ Jesus You beautiful Son our Savior...\:)/...
Said to those who returned, not to those who stayed away.

You do need to see both sides of the coin. Do me a favour and do a word search on 'wavering' and post the results, especially the several verses starting at Hebrews 10:23, and we shall see if you are an honest student of scripture or not.
 

Chris1975

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3 So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of [b]her fornication. 5 And on her forehead a name was written:

MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS
OF THE EARTH.
 

Rosemaryx

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Said to those who returned, not to those who stayed away.

You do need to see both sides of the coin. Do me a favour and do a word search on 'wavering' and post the results, especially the several verses starting at Hebrews 10:23, and we shall see if you are an honest student of scripture or not.
God Himself has told me I am His child , do me a favour and read Romans 8:16...
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Don't be silly.

Sheep have different masters. That is stupid. People are people, but not many belong to the Father.
I am not silly
Jesus said my sheep know my voice and follow (He did not say they might follow meh said they will) sheep are really not smart animals. They act by instinct. Those who are gods by nature follow god because they belong to him
a dog eats his vomit
 
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washburn Tn
Our righteousness is as filthy rags.

Any good deeds I do flow out of my salvation.

Ephesisians 2: [SUP]10 [/SUP]For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.


Any good deeds I do are as a result of my salvation and in no way can they earn me salvation. Anything I do is out of loving gratitude to God.
Revelation 22:14 - Blessed are they that do HIS commandments , that they may have right to the tree of life , & may enter in through the gates into the city .
 
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The problem comes when we replace the baptism of God with the baptism in water, and hence attributing to man the work of God.

we are in serious danger.

i am not saying your doing this,just making a basic remark, I am not sure yet what you believe here,


circumcision was a huge sign in the OT. But that’s all it was a sign, NT jews demanded we must be circumcized to be cleansed,

sadly, many churches have replaced the physical act of circumcision with the. Physical act of water baptism.

paul makes it clear in Col 2. Is if the spiritual circumcision done by the hand of God through the spiritual baptism of the HS, that cleanses us (see also titus 3, it is the washing of regeneration of the HS which saves us)
Scripture tests our hearts. These scriptures clearly show the cleansing of Johns parents, their standing before God, the ministry of the baptism of John and the preaching of Jesus and His forgiving sins. I believe scripture, I believe Jesus, and therefore I agree with these statements. Knowing Jesus and His word is everything, from now into eternity.

Luke 3:3-4
He went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.
As is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet: "A voice of one calling in the desert, 'Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him."

Mark 2:5-7
When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven."
Now some teachers of the law were sitting there, thinking to themselves, "Why does this fellow talk like that? He's blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?"

Being cleansed is testified as the ministry of John, and Jesus.

Luke 1:76-79
And you, my child, will be called a prophet of the Most High; for you will go on before the Lord to prepare the way for him, to give his people the knowledge of salvation through the forgiveness of their sins, because of the tender mercy of our God, by which the rising sun will come to us from heaven to shine on those living in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the path of peace."

Of Zechariah and Elizabeth parents of John

Luke 1:6
They were both righteous in the sight of God, following all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blamelessly.

Ones theology can contradict Gods revelation. The test is do we change to accept Gods ways or insist we are right and scripture is wrong.
 

Chris1975

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NY will fall. It is Mystery Babylon.
The US will fall (Israel's main powerful Ally), before the Axis moves in on Israel.
Nobody will take the glory for Israel's deliverance but God Himself, when Jesus returns. Zechariah 14.
 

Chris1975

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yes.

do I perfectly keep them, all the time?

no. neither do you, or any other human on earth,

that is why it is important to obey Jesus when He says " whosoever believes in ME".

that we can do all the time.
Hebrews 12
4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin.

1 Corinthians 10
13 No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to [d]bear it.

But yet, your opinion carries greater weight. That is why you have no victory. You are still enslaved. You have not crucified the flesh. Have not picked up your cross.
 

gb9

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Hebrews 12
4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin.

1 Corinthians 10
13 No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to [d]bear it.

But yet, your opinion carries greater weight. That is why you have no victory. You are still enslaved. You have not crucified the flesh. Have not picked up your cross.

so, we are back to square one- you are pushing sinless perfectionism, just as I said, just as you denied.

to be such bold Bible thumper, you sure have a problem with honesty.
 

Chris1975

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so, we are back to square one- you are pushing sinless perfectionism, just as I said, just as you denied.

to be such bold Bible thumper, you sure have a problem with honesty.
Romans 6
6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

That is honesty
 

Chris1975

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so, we are back to square one- you are pushing sinless perfectionism, just as I said, just as you denied.

to be such bold Bible thumper, you sure have a problem with honesty.
Romans 6
6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be [a]done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.

More honesty
 

Chris1975

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so, we are back to square one- you are pushing sinless perfectionism, just as I said, just as you denied.

to be such bold Bible thumper, you sure have a problem with honesty.
Romans 6
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as [d]instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

And more...

You hate these scriptures. Because you love your sin.
If you loved these scriptures you wouldn't be kicking against them.
 

Chris1975

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so, we are back to square one- you are pushing sinless perfectionism, just as I said, just as you denied.

to be such bold Bible thumper, you sure have a problem with honesty.
Romans 6
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?