Tithing. What are Christians suppose to do?

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Moses_Young

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I might be kicking a hornets nest, but I would like to know what some people’s opinions on the matter are. Are we called to give a tenth as the Israelites were, or do we give according what’s in our heart? Please let me know. I look forward to a spirited(And friendly) discussion.
How is tithing any different to circumcision?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The Tithe was likened to a federal become tax for the Jewish people it was used to feed and help Levite’s in operation of the priesthood.
it is not commanded in the NT. What is commanded is to give generously as your heart desires
 
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When we usually ask that question in our hearts we are thinking what is the least amount we are supposed to give and get away with it haha.

But no under the New Testament there is no 10% + additional offering rule, but being under grace we should naturally give above and beyond.

I would give what you are comfortable with and pray to god to help you increase your tithing and your giving.

But like I mentioned before I know it’s scary to give 10-20% away but god provides a way somehow when you do it in faith.

I started tithing here and there, then systematically to where maybe for the year I gave away $600 total? That was my 10% lol.

Now I am able to give away someone’s full annual salary, each time I was afraid and hesitant.

I’m literally thinking wow I just gave away what I once made at my regular full time job even more lol.

I hope this helps.
 

Dino246

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My point was that to use the argument from silence, that "Oh scripture did not spell out that Abraham/Issac or Jacob tithe regularly from their possessions to the Lord" is dubious. If Scripture had to record such regular tithing, it will sound like what I have given as examples, which to me is silly.

Looks like the idea of tithing existing before the Law is difficult for people to accept. Okay, as I have said, if you prefer to call that giving instead of tithing, I am fine too.
"Difficult for people to accept"? No, not at all. However, just as circumcision was required prior to the Law but is not required of Christians, so too tithing, which was not required prior to the Law is also not required of Christians.

Arguments from silence cannot be used as categorical proof of either position. What is true is that there is no evidence of Jacob actually paying tithes to anyone, no record of Abraham tithing aside from in Genesis 14 and that on war spoils only, and not even a hint of Isaac paying tithes at any time. In other words, you can't support a doctrine on a basis of thin air. There is no need for Scripture to record every instance, but it doesn't even have one.
 

Dino246

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When we usually ask that question in our hearts we are thinking what is the least amount we are supposed to give and get away with it haha.

But no under the New Testament there is no 10% + additional offering rule, but being under grace we should naturally give above and beyond.
Above and beyond … what? Sorry, your reasoning is simply flawed on this. You are assuming the applicability of an old covenant law to new covenant believers. You might as well demand that Christians don't just circumcise their sons, but go "above and beyond" in that as well.
 

Dino246

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Ephesians 3:20 King James Version (KJV)

20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,


Real Disciples are totally contrary to doing the Minimum and do Way Beyond what is expected of them, thus, demonstrating their gratitude. They are Miracle Workers for Elohim/God. The True Disciple must be separated from the False Disciple.

What happens to the other 90%?
True disciples know that they are not bound to follow the old testament laws. Tithing is irrelevant for Christians.
 

Dino246

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God specifically challenges and dares you to do it and see what happens. And as a witness I can say he has kept his word.

“Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse,that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the Lord Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.”

In ending god purposely dares you to do it and trust him? Will you accept his dare?
Do you accept the "dare" given to old covenant priests, but not to the Christian Church? Please learn how to interpret your Bible correctly.

And as a New Testament saint your supposed to tithe everything, meaning non financial things too. And again being saved by grace 10% is the bare minimum Christians are supposed to tithe even above that out of grace.
There is not a single verse of Scripture to support your assertions. Nothing at all is said to Christians about tithing as an ongoing practice.
 

Dino246

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From personal experience there is no yes if you can afford it you just do it. Even when I barely had anything god provided and has provided multiples increase.

God specifically challenges and dares you to do it and see what happens. And as a witness I can say he has kept his word.

“Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse,that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the Lord Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.”
Here's a quote from you in another thread:

We’re under grace I wouldn’t be quoting the Old Testament law, unless you want to go down a rabbit hole of quoting genocidial verses along the way.
Let me encourage you to be consistent in your division of Scripture. :)
 

Jackson123

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Tithing is one of the manefestation of love your neighbors like yourself for old testament

Sacrifice animal is the manefestation of love God

Matt 22

37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. ... [39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Now we do not need animal sacrifice, It doesn't mean we do not need to love God anymore, but we do love God in more sophisticated way, by work for Him, in the same manner we not do tithing anymore but It doesn't mean we not call to love our neighbors anymore

The Holy Spirit in us Will tell us to help the needy and He Will tell us how much our neighbors need. They need love, It may in the Form of food, or money, or shelter, or consolition etc.

They need Jesus. If we able to bring them to Jesus, It Will be more than tithing. Or physical help.
Say he is hungry, we feed him, than in 5 hours he Will be hungry.

Jesus say to the woman oN the well If you drink from the water I give to you, you never thirsty anymore.

That is the main rewadon of tithing, to make church operate so It Will bring people to Jesus.

If we able bring people to Jesus, without tithing, we Cut the process
 
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Actually this is an un-going practice, being a christian is an un-going practice or do you practice Christianity once a year?

"The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully[a] will also reap bountifully. 7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. "

So being a cheerful giver if you are a true Christian is an ongoing practice. No god does not command you to tithe as a law in the old testament he commands you to do even more and beyond out of grace.

And nobody argued the point that it's a commandment to tithe like the old testament, but if you have issues with the old testament tithe practice you sure will have one with the new testament cheerful giving statements which makes you go above and beyond.

but please continue to find any excuse to hoard gods resources for yourself.
 
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I guess to really answer your question @Aerials1978 is why are you asking lol? Just broadly speaking or what are you feeling about it, do you give now? Do you want to give? Ect.?
 

Aerials1978

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I guess to really answer your question @Aerials1978 is why are you asking lol? Just broadly speaking or what are you feeling about it, do you give now? Do you want to give? Ect.?
I do give. I don’t adhere to tithing specifically. I live my life everyday giving to the Lord. When someone is in true need, I try to be a blessing.
 
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I do give. I don’t adhere to tithing specifically. I live my life everyday giving to the Lord. When someone is in true need, I try to be a blessing.
So yeah there is no rule just give as you please, but be careful of your hearts condition on being "stingy", parting away with money is probably one of the most painful things to do and justify, we as humans just don't want to do it period, even the most devout Christians.

Under new testament cheerful giving most likely you're supposed to match that if not even go above and beyond, unless you can somehow feel cheerful giving small sums, which of course people can, but don't use it as an excuse ohh see I was cheerful in giving a penny, I did my duty.

The point of the scripture is giving out of love abundantly. (Which is extremely extremely hard hard). It was actually easier to give when I was super poor, then it is now that I make more money. Because while I make a decent low-mid 6 figure amount, that is nothing in the grand scheme of things, so giving away $20-$30K/yr still makes you question things, especially doing it a few years that money adds up to a lot in your savings account.

Because depending on which part of the world, or area of the country you live in, low 6 figures is not much on as a single income family. It's not making say 1M/yr and you can give away 100-200K, and still have hundreds of thousands left over.

I've sacrificed savings, put off buying a home, just finally for the first time ever bought a brand new cheapest car I could find, but I understand there are people starving in the world, or whom have never heard the gospel.

So no you aren't obliged to give anything, god will still provide your basic needs, just probably don't expect any additional overly large blessings in return, due to reaping and sowing, of course there are exceptions to the rule, where people are blessed and are stingy and don't give.

We are stewards of his resources nothing is ours, so if you're happy where you are perfectly fine, just don't expect god to give you a bigger allocation to manage on his behalf.

I acknowledge the only reason I make the income I make has been in direct proportion to what I give, the more I give the more god trusts me with on his behalf, of course again plenty of exceptions of him blessings non-Christians, ect.

The amount of money i make for the amount of actual work required, is not proportional and def. not do to my superior skills, it's literally god going here take this money good and faithful servant and manage it faithfully for my kingdom. It literally just flows from him in easy unexpected ways.

But none of this is really important, just pray about it, and if you want to give more ask god to help you with your feelings and circumstances to give more.

Don't take this the wrong way and I don't mean harm when saying this, but you remind me of my mother in law, she gives when she feels compelled, basically a nice way of saying I try to give the least amount possible to still be able to claim browny points, yet she still struggles in basically poverty paycheck to paycheck, having to work 12hrs a day well in her 60's. Hopefully she'll have social security and her home, but that's it, like I said god will provide just the basic necessities, because why trust her with more, if she will just hoard it or spend it on herself.

But Again pray for gods will and his faith to help you give more, if you so desire, you'll be surprised of the outcome, it will be truly unbelievable, where you'll know it's him directly.

Sorry if some parts came a bit harsh, didn't mean too.
 

oyster67

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I might be kicking a hornets nest, but I would like to know what some people’s opinions on the matter are. Are we called to give a tenth as the Israelites were, or do we give according what’s in our heart? Please let me know. I look forward to a spirited(And friendly) discussion.
I believe that the only giving that pleases God is the kind that comes from a sense of "want to", as opposed to a feeling of "have to". Giving should be done out of a spirit of love for the brethren, or not at all. God certainly doesn't need our paltry gifts.

Psalm 50
50:10 For every beast of the forest [is] mine, [and] the cattle upon a thousand hills.
50:11 I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field [are] mine.
50:12 If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world [is] mine, and the fulness thereof.
 

Dino246

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Tithing is one of the manefestation of love your neighbors like yourself for old testament

Sacrifice animal is the manefestation of love God

Matt 22

37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. ... [39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Now we do not need animal sacrifice, It doesn't mean we do not need to love God anymore, but we do love God in more sophisticated way, by work for Him, in the same manner we not do tithing anymore but It doesn't mean we not call to love our neighbors anymore

The Holy Spirit in us Will tell us to help the needy and He Will tell us how much our neighbors need. They need love, It may in the Form of food, or money, or shelter, or consolition etc.

They need Jesus. If we able to bring them to Jesus, It Will be more than tithing. Or physical help.
Say he is hungry, we feed him, than in 5 hours he Will be hungry.

Jesus say to the woman oN the well If you drink from the water I give to you, you never thirsty anymore.

That is the main rewadon of tithing, to make church operate so It Will bring people to Jesus.

If we able bring people to Jesus, without tithing, we Cut the process
Tithing is a requirement of the Law, period. You can love your neighbor generously and never "tithe".

You make the same mistake that many Christians make: assuming that Christian giving is tithing. It is not; they are quite distinct.
 

Dino246

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Actually this is an un-going practice, being a christian is an un-going practice or do you practice Christianity once a year?

"The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully[a] will also reap bountifully. 7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. "

So being a cheerful giver if you are a true Christian is an ongoing practice. No god does not command you to tithe as a law in the old testament he commands you to do even more and beyond out of grace.

And nobody argued the point that it's a commandment to tithe like the old testament, but if you have issues with the old testament tithe practice you sure will have one with the new testament cheerful giving statements which makes you go above and beyond.

but please continue to find any excuse to hoard gods resources for yourself.
Being a Christian is indeed an ongoing practice. Giving is likewise an ongoing practice. Tithing is a requirement of the OT Law and has nothing to do with being a Christian.

You, like Jackson123, make the same mistake many make, but you express it in an ugly way. Here is your version, in simple equations:

giving (as a Christian) = tithing
not tithing = not giving anything

Both are patently false. A Christian may give generously without any thought of "tithing". There is no percentage given in the New Testament as to what Christians are to give, so there is no "above and beyond" about it. You're making an argument from silence.

Your closing comment is nothing but self-righteous slander. You know nothing at all about how much I give, but you assume that because I argue against "tithing" that I give nothing. You are dead wrong. In future, kindly keep your ignorant personal attacks to yourself.
 
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What happens to the other 90% is up to the person. A wise individual will not squander it but use it to what is good. Of course if we lived in a perfect world there would be no need for currency.
What does a person do with the other 90% that qualifies them as being a Real Disciple?
 
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True disciples know that they are not bound to follow the old testament laws. Tithing is irrelevant for Christians.

Matthew 23:23 King James Version (KJV)

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.


Tithing is very important to Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ, as he instructed the Scribes and Pharisees that they must Tithe.
 

NayborBear

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I might be kicking a hornets nest, but I would like to know what some people’s opinions on the matter are. Are we called to give a tenth as the Israelites were, or do we give according what’s in our heart? Please let me know. I look forward to a spirited(And friendly) discussion.
Ya wanna put money in the offering plate? Cool!
Ya wanna put money in the offering plate religiously? Cool!
Ya don't wanna put money in the offering plate? Cool!
Ya don't wanna put any money in the offering plate religiously?
Ya probably are camping out at the Salvation Army! ;)


Don't allow ANYONE to push, cajole, or bully you!

If this is what you experience at YOUR church?

RUN!....Don't walk! AWAY!