Not By Works
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Okay .....maybe I can laugh... "spiritually and mentally fried".. that is a new one. 
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You already know my answers to that question migo.....I have clearly stated teo things about sin in a believer...
a. That John speaks to a continual lifestyle of sin in a believer
b. No believer is without sin
c. Believers are positioned in grace which out bounds our sin.
d. NO SIN causes the loss of salvation
e. NO WORKS prove salvation because LOST MEN do many WONDERUL works in the name of a cause or even Jesus daily.
f. No saved man produces fruit or works.....It is JESUS in us and through us that produces the fruit and or works and exactly why all glory goes to God
and regardless.....we cannot ALLEVIATE....to the one who DOES NO WORK, but believes on him that JUSTIFIES the ungodly HIS FAITH IS CREDITED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.....
works of wood, hay and stubble burnt yet saved so as by fire indicates NO GOOD WORKS yet saved.....
a. That John speaks to a continual lifestyle of sin in a believer
b. No believer is without sin
c. Believers are positioned in grace which out bounds our sin.
d. NO SIN causes the loss of salvation
e. NO WORKS prove salvation because LOST MEN do many WONDERUL works in the name of a cause or even Jesus daily.
f. No saved man produces fruit or works.....It is JESUS in us and through us that produces the fruit and or works and exactly why all glory goes to God
and regardless.....we cannot ALLEVIATE....to the one who DOES NO WORK, but believes on him that JUSTIFIES the ungodly HIS FAITH IS CREDITED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.....
works of wood, hay and stubble burnt yet saved so as by fire indicates NO GOOD WORKS yet saved.....
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The use of the word THAT is pointed at which type of faith....a MERE belief in GOD just as the demons have....and the JEWS to this day still have the same problem.....MANY BELIEVE in God, but have no faith into CHRIST.......and that is the contrast of James.....regardless.....We cannot contradict James against Romans.....Paul is clear...faith is what justifies a man BEFORE God without the DEEDS/WORKS OF THE LAW
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I would not say can't but should'nt.......and let me qualify....
God only whips children....why does he whip them.....because they are disobedient <--is disobedience sin? He will chasten a child to correct a child that is indeed in sin (disobedience) and WILL EVEN take one HOME EARLY if they refuse correction......You and I have both at one time WALKED CONTRARY AND IN SIN after salvation and like the prodigal WE CAME BACK....but while we were contrary we were indeed living in sin!
God only whips children....why does he whip them.....because they are disobedient <--is disobedience sin? He will chasten a child to correct a child that is indeed in sin (disobedience) and WILL EVEN take one HOME EARLY if they refuse correction......You and I have both at one time WALKED CONTRARY AND IN SIN after salvation and like the prodigal WE CAME BACK....but while we were contrary we were indeed living in sin!
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Bro....you know I consider you a brother and love you in the truth, but we cannot alleviate the audience that is being addressed and the root cause of their issue....12 tribes scattered abroad...JEWS and the same issue they have to this day...a MERE belief in God......there does seem to be a blend of believers and unbelievers within the scope of the letter because he speaks to the trial of their FAITH......WHAT work did they have? And how does that work have any bearing on being saved wholly by faith?
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Yes, I keep hoping the Calling Out of the Bride of Christ will be in my life time. If not so be it. But it is still wonderful to think about it.
Critics like to try to dash our expectation of HIS coming, by saying their is No Such Thing as Two Second comings. I tell them, It is Not a COMING until HIS FEET TOUCH THE MOUNT OF OLIVES, so us going to meet Him in the air, IS NOT A COMING.
Zechariah 14:3-9 (HCSB)
3 Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle.
4 On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
5 You will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
6 On that day there will be no light; the sunlight and moonlight will diminish.
7 It will be a day known ⌊only⌋ to Yahweh, without day or night, but there will be light at evening.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea, in summer and winter alike.
9 On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.
Their is your Second Coming about 7 years later, We are Called out to meet our Bridegroom in the Air, to go to the Wedding of the Lamb, in the New City Jerusalem in Heaven.
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Yes, I keep hoping the Calling Out of the Bride of Christ will be in my life time. If not so be it. But it is still wonderful to think about it.
Critics like to try to dash our expectation of HIS coming, by saying their is No Such Thing as Two Second comings. I tell them, It is Not a COMING until HIS FEET TOUCH THE MOUNT OF OLIVES, so us going to meet Him in the air, IS NOT A COMING.
Zechariah 14:3-9 (HCSB)
3 Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle.
4 On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
5 You will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
6 On that day there will be no light; the sunlight and moonlight will diminish.
7 It will be a day known ⌊only⌋ to Yahweh, without day or night, but there will be light at evening.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea, in summer and winter alike.
9 On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.
Their is your Second Coming about 7 years later, We are Called out to meet our Bridegroom in the Air, to go to the Wedding of the Lamb, in the New City Jerusalem in Heaven.
Critics like to try to dash our expectation of HIS coming, by saying their is No Such Thing as Two Second comings. I tell them, It is Not a COMING until HIS FEET TOUCH THE MOUNT OF OLIVES, so us going to meet Him in the air, IS NOT A COMING.
Zechariah 14:3-9 (HCSB)
3 Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle.
4 On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
5 You will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
6 On that day there will be no light; the sunlight and moonlight will diminish.
7 It will be a day known ⌊only⌋ to Yahweh, without day or night, but there will be light at evening.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea, in summer and winter alike.
9 On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.
Their is your Second Coming about 7 years later, We are Called out to meet our Bridegroom in the Air, to go to the Wedding of the Lamb, in the New City Jerusalem in Heaven.
And when all is done, there might even be a new creation on earth?