The Millennium is a Pharisee Doctrine

For that Jesus talking about kingdom of heaven, not 1000 years kingdom

I'm still not sure about your question. The 1000 years are not the kingdom. Satan attacks the kingdom when the 1000 years end.

I am a born again believer and while my heart may be joyous that the Holy Spirit lives inside, there is nothing at all joyous in the world. The peaceful part will come later when Jesus returns to set up His 1000 year reign as stated in the book of Revelation.

Ok let me ask you about this verse

Rev. 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Another version

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.


Verse 4 say the dead for Jesus come to live

Example Stephen was stone to dead for Jesus come back to live

Where he life now

Jesus is alive on His throne, ruling until all enemies have been made a footstool for His feet! Holla-Boo-Ya!!! You didn't know this?

No, he says the kingdom that is here now.

...this world is getting better and all nations are being brought under Him

He talk to jews religious leader 2000 years ago, not now

Yes he did. But the kingdom is here now if you can discern it.

Ok let me ask you about this verse

Rev. 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Another version

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.


Verse 4 say the dead for Jesus come to live

Example Stephen was stone to dead for Jesus come back to live

Where he life now

yep, Jesus is right there with his rod of Iron beating down these evil nations, peace has been restored. People are coming to jerusalem to worship the king, the lions peels with the lamb, the baby with the viper and no one is heart, all things are restored

then I woke up and saw reality

The first resurrection is salvation. God resurrected you from the dead spiritually when you first believed. The second resurrection is physical at the end of the world.

My brother , that verse say people that beheaded for Jesus resurrect

I am never beheaded for Jesus.

Paul says we were dead in tresspasses and sins. The New Birth is the first resurrection.

Okay seriously without mocking or disrespect of any kind from me at all, how was the kingdom described to come? With redemption and judgement, and if I'm not mistaking you believe we are in the middle somewhere waiting for the judgement that was always spoken of by Jesus as being right here, coming soon, this generation, before you can make the rounds to every city, judgement coming to end the age. I my eyes it's so clear the very thing that Jesus said on the way to the cross, one of the only things He said at all was

“Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For behold, the days are coming when they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren and the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’ 30 Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us,’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us.’ 31 For if they do these things when the wood is green, what will happen when it is dry?”

And history testifies that this was true when the Romans completely removed His temple, by His will in judgment just like He said forever ending this age bringing in the new, that age of grace, now like the mustard seed His kingdom will grow until all things are put under Him.

I know it's just my opinion and personal view, but this fits the text and every word so much better than any alternative I've ever heard, and again I know this is just a personal experience, but I have to testify that spiritually God has led me here and nothing has set me on fire for Him as these things revealed. I am also not here to fight or call names or anything like that and I hate seeing such harsh back and forth's sometimes, having have participated in far to many myself, so this is no finger pointing either. We are dealing with the truth of reality here, it's not like these are meaningless subjects to any of us. I have described a bit how I feel about it's importance, so this is why I have to proclaim these things as what I believe. I also understand others belief. My church teaches these pre-trib things too, and this is an exciting journey to me, and I am very much open to hear others views as well. I love this stuff, just only when we can just speak and listen (type and read) with the respect we are called to have even for our enemies. So I truly look forward to see what your opinion on this is.

i see what your saying

but look at my post you responded to.

seriously. tell me whivh of those events are accuring right now as we speak. as all of them are prophesied in the OT as occurrences in the age to come. or kingdom age.

i see what your saying

but look at my post you responded to.

seriously. tell me whivh of those events are accuring right now as we speak. as all of them are prophesied in the OT as occurrences in the age to come. or kingdom age.

The MILLENNIUM: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10840-millennium
By: Joseph Jacobs, A. Biram

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Messianic Period an Interregnum.

The reign of peace, lasting one thousand years, which will precede the Last Judgment and the future life. The concept has assumed especial importance in the Christian Church, where it is termed also “chiliasm,” designating the dominion of Jesus with the glorified and risen saints over the world for a thousand years. Chiliasm or the idea of the millennium is, nevertheless, older than the Christian Church; for the belief in a period of one thousand years at the end of time as a preliminary to the resurrection of the dead was held in Parseeism. This concept is expressed in Jewish literature in Enoch, xiii., xci. 12-17; in the apocalypse of the ten weeks, in Apoc. Baruch, xl. 3 (“And his dominion shall last forever, until the world doomed to destruction shall perish”); and in II Esdras vii. 28-29. Neither here nor in later Jewish literature is the duration of this Messianic reign fixed. It is clear, however, that the rule of the Messiah was considered as an interregnum, from the fact that in many passages, such as Pes. 68a, Ber. 34b, Sanh. 91b and 99a, Shab. 63a, 113b, and 141b, a distinction is made between and , although it must be noted that some regarded the Messianic rule as the period of the fulfilment of the prophecies, while others saw in it the time of the subjugation of the nations.



So it is no wonder it found its way into the first century Church comprised mainly of Jews.



But in time, the church condemned it as heresy. First, According to the Nicene Creed


We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of His Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made; Who, for us men and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; Whose kingdom shall have no end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets. And we believe in one holy catholic* and apostolic church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Sproul, R. C. (Ed.). (2015). The Reformation Study Bible: English Standard Version (2015 Edition) (p. 2389). Orlando, FL: Reformation Trust.

And condemned as heresy by the Council of Ephesus in 431 in two ways.



“In addition to its condemnation of Nestorianism, the council also condemned

Pelagianism, [2] and rejected premillennialism (Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Papias,

Tertullian, Origen, Lactantius) in favor of amillennialism (Clement of

Alexandria, Chrysostom, Jerome and Augustine of Hippo): "Augustine's

explanation became Church doctrine when it was adopted as the definitive

explanation of the millennium by the Council of Ephesus in 431."[35]



Secondly, “Canon 7 condemned any departure from the creed established by the First Council of Nicaea (325)” This affirmed Jesus “shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.” Thereby denouncing premillennialism and the doctrines leading up to and including Dispensationalism of the 1800s.



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My thinking is, the millennial day is the seventh and final day of this flesh age in which Yeshua will rule with "a rod of iron" and everyone will be "taught of the Lord". Then, after the "Great White Throne Judgement", the eternity will begin as our Beloved hands the kingdom over to our Heavenly Father.

My thinking is, the millennial day is the seventh and final day of this flesh age in which Yeshua will rule with "a rod of iron" and everyone will be "taught of the Lord". Then, after the "Great White Throne Judgement", the eternity will begin as our Beloved hands the kingdom over to our Heavenly Father.

Here's something to consider. If Jesus is God, he's been ruling the nations with a Rod of Iron all the time, even while they were crucifying him. The kingdom is here but we must learn how to recognize it based on scripture alone.