Mary Mother of Jesus: Sinless?

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Was Mary the Mother of Jesus without sin?


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Whispered

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That’s the problem

ypur posts don’t line up with the word

i a, just interpreting them through gods word and trying to show you what you are actually saying
Again, for Mary to still be a sinner when God's Holy Spirit covered her, God would have to take up "habitation" in a dinner. And say so in His own words.
God would have to take up "habitation in a dinner". Microwaved or oven roasted?
Ah, phone posts are such fun when you hit reply while in a hurry to get back on the road. I'm surprised no one used the laughing like emoji on that one. Well, that would be presuming anyone here still reads me of course.

To rephrase. (No, leave it like that, make 'em guess what ya meant!) "for Mary to still be a sinner when God's Holy Spirit covered her, God would have to take up "habitation" in a sinner. And say so in His own words."
 
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While the KJV has no copyright and is, as many different versions are, "public domain". :D
the KJV is copyrighted, if your taking about the 1611 that was called a Crown Copyright in England that is why you will find the older versions in public domain.

can you figure out what version I’m using below?

27 And while he was saying these things, a certain woman from the crowd, lifted up her voice, and said to him: Blessed is the womb that carried thee, and the breasts that nursed thee.
28 He said to her: Blessed are they who hear the word of God, and keep it.
 
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Thank you.

your welcome

The KJV is public domain in the United States.
Because of age any bible version copyrighted over a 100 years old is subject to public domain. the Jewish tanakh 1917 was the latest to make the public domain
 

UnoiAmarah

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Jesus all but rebuked the woman who called Mary blessed because she bore Him.
27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
Luke 11:27-28

So you mean that you believe that Jesus was rebuking her for what she said? Are you sure that if he was rebuking her it wasn't for the fact she spoke and not what what was spoken since he said "yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God and keep it." considering that according to Paul's gospel it is written in 1 Cor 14:34 the following: "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak;"

11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Gal 1:11-12
 

Whispered

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the KJV is copyrighted, if your taking about the 1611 that was called a Crown Copyright in England that is why you will find the older versions in public domain.

can you figure out what version I’m using below?

27 And while he was saying these things, a certain woman from the crowd, lifted up her voice, and said to him: Blessed is the womb that carried thee, and the breasts that nursed thee.
28 He said to her: Blessed are they who hear the word of God, and keep it.
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain
 

Timothy5378

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His mother and brothers who did not believe in Him were outside...

He said and pointed at the disciples
These are my mother...brothers and sisters

MARY never should have stood against Him with her children who did not believe in Him and tried to get Him killed

It was a rebuke of high order and it never says He went out to her or them
Because He didn't
 
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Immaculate conception, or conceived immaculate, refers to Marie conceiving Jesus without sin. There was no sin in conceiving Jesus, no sin passed on to Him. Marie was likely 12 years of age at the time, reaching the age of accountability and obeyed the Word. What set Marie apart, is that she conceived immaculate. Marie the mother of Jesus and Marie Magdalene are the first accounts of receiving and comprehending Grace as the influence of God to get past pride of achievement. Both are examples of the Bride of Christ. Marie the Mother of God is no longer a single woman but an innumerable company of believers without sin standing before the throne of God in heaven. Language remains misunderstood since the tower of babel (bable) until we are perfect in Love and God does not need our help with that, since we are not saved by our understanding of the Word. Lean not on your understanding but Trust in the Lord. Be not hearers of the Word only but doers of the Word. Faith that works by Love. Now that the sin of the world is washed away, we don't see this if we live by the sight of our eyes. Yet angels sing, The whole earth is filled with the Glory of the Lord, referring to His Resurrection. Trouble is, there has to be death before Resurrection, death to our selfish nature. The time has come that judgment must begin at the house of God. God will have a spotless bride, the same that can be said of Marie the Mother of Jesus and Marie Magdalene and of all the Saints who worship with the whole heart, In Spirit and in Truth. The Holy Spirit will not be divided. "We walk by Faith and not by sight. "By Grace you are saved through Faith." We have not already attained the Resurrection, or already saved as many suppose. For we are saved if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end. Those who overcome the world will have part in the first resurrection. If we suffer with Him we shall rule with Him. The rest of the dead are not raised until the thousand years are fulfilled. When Jesus began His ministry He said, Today and tomorrow I heal the sick and cast out devils, and the third day I shall be perfected.
Wrong in Catholic theology the Immaculate Conception refers to Mary being free from original sin. It is Mary that was conceived without sin not Jesus in that dogma.
 

Whispered

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Yup the 1987 matches to 1611 thus public domain, the NKJV is not a match
There are differences in the NKJV yes. And it is copyrighted.
Scripture taken from the New King James Version®. Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson. Used by permission. All rights reserved.
 

Laish

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Catholics do not worship anyone but God(Link). "Catholics adore God but we honor his saints." "Worship is to be given only to God."

Catholic Encyclopedia: Dulia
Catholic Encyclopedia:The Blessed Virgin Mary
Hi Whispered
What I posted was directly ( copy and paste) from the Catholic Encyclopedia on line It’s a 14 volume set ( really expensive over 480 $ used ) in hard back it’s a seminary ( priest in training) level set . Also it’s free on line but kinda hard to navigate unless you know exactly what your looking for. The section is in the footnotes concerning form of worship . I have no reason to lie to you , it was posted as a FYI . What you find there are the fine details concerning the Catholic Faith. If you have a collage or university close by they may have a set that you can look into. It is a eye opening read . I don’t suggest buying one only crazy folks like myself buy things like that lol .
Blessings
Bill
 

Whispered

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Hi Whispered
What I posted was directly ( copy and paste) from the Catholic Encyclopedia on line It’s a 14 volume set ( really expensive over 480 $ used ) in hard back it’s a seminary ( priest in training) level set . Also it’s free on line but kinda hard to navigate unless you know exactly what your looking for. The section is in the footnotes concerning form of worship . I have no reason to lie to you , it was posted as a FYI . What you find there are the fine details concerning the Catholic Faith. If you have a collage or university close by they may have a set that you can look into. It is a eye opening read . I don’t suggest buying one only crazy folks like myself buy things like that lol .
Blessings
Bill
I was in no way implying you lied. Many non-Catholics have been led to believe Catholics worship Mary. They do not. They respect her, they venerate her, which is sometimes thought in this case synonymous with worship, however, when Catholics say they do not worship Mary, are they lying?
 

UnoiAmarah

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His mother and brothers who did not believe in Him were outside...

He said and pointed at the disciples
These are my mother...brothers and sisters

MARY never should have stood against Him with her children who did not believe in Him and tried to get Him killed

It was a rebuke of high order and it never says He went out to her or them
Because He didn't
Say what? That is totally off the wall.
 

Timothy5378

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Catholics pray to Mary and Jesus is the Only Mediator

Catholics have a false gospel and are not born again on lies

The pope said evolution is ok
 

Timothy5378

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Say what? That is totally off the wall.
What is off the wall..thats the story

What Catholics believe is unique to them
What He's believe is unique to them etc..
Mormon..Adventist...Scientology etc..

To just read the KJV Bible 100 times..each of the 66 books in tact and obey it...YOU GET JESUS LIFE LOL
 

Laish

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I was in no way implying you lied. Many non-Catholics have been led to believe Catholics worship Mary. They do not. They respect her, they venerate her, which is sometimes thought in this case synonymous with worship, however, when Catholics say they do not worship Mary, are they lying?
I would say some do worship her . Also some that don’t believe they worship her .
Here is something concerning one of the Marian Dogmas
Mediatrix of all graces is a Title that the Catholic Church gives to the Mary as the Mother of God, it includes the understanding that she mediates the Divine Grace. In addition to Mediatrix, other titles are given to her in the Church: Advocate, Helper, Benefactress In a papal encyclical of 8 September 1894, Pope Leo XIII said: "The recourse we have to Mary in prayer follows upon the office she continuously fills by the side of the throne of God as Mediatrix of Divine grace."
There is a strong push by some conservative Catholic for a new dogma to call her the Co-Redemptrix meaning that both Mary and Jesus are the sources of the grace in salvation.
Do some looking around on the net . I suggest don’t look at apologetics sites but look at the Catholic ones. Look up the two terms Mediatrix and Co-Redemptrix don’t take my word do some leg work. Check out several places to get a gist of what is being said
Blessings
Bill
 
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There are differences in the NKJV yes. And it is copyrighted.
Scripture taken from the New King James Version®. Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson. Used by permission. All rights reserved.
Yea I think the copyright thing on a bible is completely stupid IMO