A little food for thought.

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John146

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Jesus said: "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven." (Matthew 22:30) "5For to which of the angels did God ever say: “You are My Son; today I have become Your Father”? Or again: “I will be His Father, and He will be My Son”? (Hebrews1:5) "the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose." (Genesis 6:2)

I do not see any indication that the "sons of God" are angels. It looks like they are the Godly descendants of Adam and Eve. They are the sons of God because in Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". The breath of life here in the Hebrew is "neshamah" נִשְׁמַ֣ת In Genesis 1:24 the word living is "Chay" חַי.
Since when does a godly man have sex with an ungodly woman and their offspring is giants.
 
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What is your scripture reference. There are a few times that the word erets is used. Mostly the word Adamah is used in this passage. I already did this study a long time ago. The bottom line is that Noah's flood could NOT have been a worldwide flood. There is overwhelming evidence to show that Noah's flood is what we would call a local flood in the Tigris Euphrates River Valley in Ancient Mesopotamia. The current evidence that we have to work with right now would indicate that the Garden of Eden is under the Persian Gulf. That is why I studied the Bible to see if the Bible would support that Noah's flood was a "local" flood. I believe that is supported by the Bible. That is why I say there is NO conflict between Science and the Bible. High School students do not need to waste their time debating this. They can go to Church on Sunday and study the Bible. They can go to School on Monday and study Science and have full confidence that there is NO conflict at all. Science supports the Bible and the Bible supports Science and they go hand in hand.

But if you want to play this game then lets do it. If the flood was a worldwide flood how do you handle the life on the 10,000 islands in the Philippines? Did Noah go to all the Islands in the Pacific and pick up all the animals and then take them back to where he got them after the flood? What about the Kangaroo? Did they swim to the middle east to be saved by Noah, only to swim back to Australia after the flood? It is absurd to think that Noah's flood was a worldwide flood because NONE of the physical evidence supports that.

Bible interpretation - hermeneutics requires each and every generation to discover the Bible new for themselves and their generation. We can not look at the conclusion that past generations have arrived at because they had less evidence to examine and study. We have a lot more given to us. To whom much is given much is expected. You can not let your grandfather explain his understanding of the Bible. You have to discover truth for yourself. Truth needs to be fresh and new for every generation. I can not teach you the truth. You have to discover the truth for yourself.
So this is a game for you? Okay...

The proof is the Bible and the ultimate burden of proof is with the conviction of the Holy Spirit. To say every generation should know more than the one before is the biggest nonsense I have ever heard of. If you study the Bible God will reveal, therein lies our responsibility, not to try and better the knowledge of my grandfather.

My Bible says eret so it is the whole earth. God doesn't need JohnR7 to explain His almighty works. He will do it himself.
 
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Let me guess, the whole earth does not really mean the whole earth. It was a local flood like a tsunami.

Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

Genesis 8:But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.
The current evidence shows that the Bering Strait on the Persian Gulf gave way and this is when the Persian gulf was formed. At the time of Noah's flood. We know that ancient Mesopotamia lived in the Tigris Euphrates river valley at the time. "In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month, all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened." (Genesis7:11) Before the flood people lived to be 1,000. After the flood we are told: "Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years." (Genesis 6:3) Noah's father could have known Adam because for a short period of time they were both alive on the Earth.

If you look at the Bering Strait you can see where the water went over the high hills but not over the mountains north of the Persian gulf. Floods in the Tigris Euphrates river valley were common back then. Floodplains make very fertile land for growing food.

 

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Since when does a godly man have sex with an ungodly woman and their offspring is giants.
There is a gland that makes them a giant. In some cases if they do not get the condition under control it can cost them their life. What part of the body regulates when we should stop growing? If we did not stop growing we would be as big as the universe in about 30 years. I did not want to pay for the doctors when my son was born. It turned out to be a mistake but I took my wife to the free clinic. They gave her lots and lots of tests. Because the women that go to those free clinics live a very high risk lifestyle and they have to test them for a lot of different health conditions that they are at risk for. I know people that were foster parents for high risk children. At the time the issue has to do with fetal alcohol syndrome. I suppose today with all of the drugs they have all sorts of problems with that.
 
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JohnR7, our church leader is a professor in Hebrew with his own Bible college. He never shared with us this revelation of a local flood because it is not in the Bible (we have done a full study of Noah by the way). Every Sunday when he preach we receive snippets out of the Bible in Hebrew.

The truth of the matter is that the Hebrew is important but to quote one word and try to make a big deal about it is not that impressive. I think somebody is busy pulling wool over your eyes.
 

JaumeJ

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There is a gland that makes them a giant. In some cases if they do not get the condition under control it can cost them their life. What part of the body regulates when we should stop growing? If we did not stop growing we would be as big as the universe in about 30 years. I did not want to pay for the doctors when my son was born. It turned out to be a mistake but I took my wife to the free clinic. They gave her lots and lots of tests. Because the women that go to those free clinics live a very high risk lifestyle and they have to test them for a lot of different health conditions that they are at risk for. I know people that were foster parents for high risk children. At the time the issue has to do with fetal alcohol syndrome. I suppose today with all of the drugs they have all sorts of problems with that.
Have you ever heard the teaching, "Do not destroy yourself with what is falsly called knowledge" ?
 

JaumeJ

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There is a human school of thinking called rabbinical ……......….this is separate from true knowledge from our Father. If it were not, Jesus, Yeshua, would never have had to continually upbraid the Pharises.

Were He here today, He would have to do the same with teachers of the Word who interpret it scientifically...…………….this is temporal knowledge which, as James Baldwin would say, is destined for the fire next time.
 

John146

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There is a gland that makes them a giant. In some cases if they do not get the condition under control it can cost them their life. What part of the body regulates when we should stop growing? If we did not stop growing we would be as big as the universe in about 30 years. I did not want to pay for the doctors when my son was born. It turned out to be a mistake but I took my wife to the free clinic. They gave her lots and lots of tests. Because the women that go to those free clinics live a very high risk lifestyle and they have to test them for a lot of different health conditions that they are at risk for. I know people that were foster parents for high risk children. At the time the issue has to do with fetal alcohol syndrome. I suppose today with all of the drugs they have all sorts of problems with that.
Nope. The medical condition is called gigantism or acramegaly. I have acromegaly. Goliath did not have a pituitary tumor that caused his growth. This is ridiculous.

Angels are sons of God. They were present at the creation shouting for joy.

Job 38
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
 

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Fins and flippers, of course.:)

Actually, Satan himself was a fallen angel. No one would entertain the idea that Satan could have drownded.

Maybe the same thing that happened before the flood happened after. God is not obligated to tell us every little detail about everything. As @posthuman pointed out, this is not the purpose of the Bible.
 
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JohnR7, our church leader is a professor in Hebrew with his own Bible college. He never shared with us this revelation of a local flood because it is not in the Bible
Then you believe the Bible is not true because it is pretty conclusive that Noah's flood was local and not a world wide flood in his day. My opinion is that BOTH Science and the Bible is true. It does not matter how much Bible your church leader knows. The question is, how much science and how much history do they know? How much of the Scientific Evidence has he studied? If you know your Bible then you know that God wants us to know what He is doing. That is why Science has evidence to examine and study. If he is aprofessor in Hebrew with his own Bible college then why does he not know what he is talking about? Is this a government certified college? Or one of those fly by night deals.
 
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rabbinical ……......….this is separate from true knowledge from our Father.
Even though they study the same Bible we do, they do not know what they are talking about? Sounds like anti semitism to me.
 
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There is no consistent evidence tha there was never a global flood.
There is overwhelming evidence that there was NO global flood in the day of Noah. There was a global flood 200 million years ago, that Noah's flood is a archetype of that flood.
 

John146

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Then you believe the Bible is not true because it is pretty conclusive that Noah's flood was local and not a world wide flood in his day. My opinion is that BOTH Science and the Bible is true. It does not matter how much Bible your church leader knows. The question is, how much science and how much history do they know? How much of the Scientific Evidence has he studied? If you know your Bible then you know that God wants us to know what He is doing. That is why Science has evidence to examine and study. If he is aprofessor in Hebrew with his own Bible college then why does he not know what he is talking about? Is this a government certified college? Or one of those fly by night deals.
It does not matter how much science or history one knows. The Bible stands alone as the word of truth. If the science or history doesn't match the Bible, then that science or history is false.
 

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There is overwhelming evidence that there was NO global flood in the day of Noah. There was a global flood 200 million years ago, that Noah's flood is a archetype of that flood.
Are you aware of what history is? Do you not know that histoy, recorded history only began when mankind began to write?

No man can possibly even give the age of the world or the universe with unequificable proof, yet here you are dispsroving God's Word with evidence provided within the physical realm and age our Father gave us by speaking it into being. You can only believe in what you see it seems, and you do not belong with any of the faith until you believe God, and things He teaches all of us that are unseen. The unseen is our hope, not what you can say, I said SAY, you see.
 
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It does not matter how much science or history one knows. The Bible stands alone as the word of truth. If the science or history doesn't match the Bible, then that science or history is false.
There is true science and there is a true understanding of the Bible. There is a Scientific method and there is evidence that comes from God that we can examine and study. For example there are 7,641 islands in the Philippines.

"The Philippines is one of the 17 mega biodiverse countries, containing two-thirds of the Earth’s biodiversity and 70 percent of world’s plants and animal species due to its geographical isolation, diverse habitats and high rates of endemism. The Philippines’ biodiversity provides several ecosystem services. It provides food, water, energy sources, pharmaceuticals, biomass fuels, carbon sequestration and climate regulation, crop pollination, cultural and spiritual inspiration and ecotourism value". https://www.usaid.gov/philippines/energy-and-environment/bwiser

This statement all by itself falsifies his claim for a worldwide flood. In fact I do not care how many PhD's they have in Theology. They do not qualify for a high school diploma because they did not read their high school biology book. I took Biology 52 years ago in 1968. They did not know nearly as much then as we know today. So I have had to read, study and learn on my own using old Bio books that I get on Amazon sometimes for as cheap as $5. So I have no sympathy for people who want to make claims without doing their homework. For me they are without excuse and they have lost all credibility.

I also took an Ancient History class in 1968. Nothing has changed all that much in that regard. We do not know that much more about Ancient Mesopotamia today compared to what we knew 50 years ago. Still history helps us to verify what we learn in Biology.

I will offer a second evidence even though they have failed to refute my first evidence of biodiverse ecosystem. I can name this in three word: "Out Of Africa". I do not mean the movie, I mean the "hypothesis that all modern humans stem from a single group of Homo sapiens who emigrated from Africa 2,000 generations ago and spread throughout Eurasia over thousands of years.

I still support Creationism. OEC - YEC - GAP & dispensationalism. I can present a valid argument for all of them. I still support Bishop Ushers book. I have a copy of his book here and it is valid as far as I am concerned.

We must be on our guard against giving interpretations which are hazardous or opposed to science, and so exposing the word of God to the ridicule of unbelievers.” (Augustine)
 

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Even though they study the same Bible we do, they do not know what they are talking about? Sounds like anti semitism to me.
Do I detect judgment? My reference is to Phariseees at the time of our Lord' first coming and those today, both within the auspices of the umbrella of Christian denominations call Christianity, and those with the umbrell calaled Jewish theologies. There are plenty of Pharisees coming here to the forum also.