Interesting question: According to scripture alone, what is "the Lord's day" (Revelation 1:10)?

Very good point, Absolutely. John was a Jew, so it wasn't like he didn't know what the Sabbath was.

The verse says. "the curse of the Law" not that the law was a curse.
The Law was not a curse. It carried a curse if one did not keep it. Big difference

Yes. I did.

I did no such thing. Please re-read what I have stated. I stated that Irenaeus, Pseudo Barnabas, Justin Martyr, and the so-called 'ecf' (easily confused fellows) are such in specific example as stated here - https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ords-day-revelation-1-10.190829/#post-4189312

I stated that the true words of God are found in the real Patriarchs of scripture, and stated, "... like John, James and Peter and Paul, and even further back unto Abraham, Moses, David, and those like them, and have those "fathers" tell us, as mouthpieces for God. ..."

You have a confusion about what I have stated, even plainly.

No, of course I do not throw out a single book of scripture, of which there are 66, as defined by scripture (Genesis to Revelation).

That is a long study, not really germane to this present OP, but if you would like I will share in this thread about it as needful. It is how I know that Revelation is scripture, while Pseudo-Barnabas, and co-called 'Enoch' and Shepherd of Hermes and Maccabees (apocrypha), etc are not scripture.

Please re-read what I have stated - carefully in the link provided.

Indeed, since John was a Jew, he would very much know about Isaiah 58:13, and from the context of Revelation, he was citing OT prophets. See previous post.

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The phrase "the Lord's day" is not the "final day" (aka Day of the Lord), as that was already addressed, way back here, near the beginning of the OP:


The two phrases are completely differing and refer to two differing things:


This difference is seen throughout all the OT and NT passages, in Hebrew and koine Greek.

Revelation 1:10, in its own immediate context, does not refer to John being in the final 'day', as the vision John was given encompasses much more than the final 'day'.

Age of the Earth

The Redemption of the Creation – 7000 Years And The Everlasting Gospel (Powerpoint)

7000 Year Plan Of The Everlasting Gospel – Bible & Historical Quotations (PDF)

"... The phrase “the day of the Lord” [Isaiah 2:12, 13:6,9, 34:8; Jeremiah 46:10; Lamentations 2:22; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31, 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 1:15; Zephaniah 1:7,8,14,18, 2:2,3; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi 4:5; Acts 2:20; 1 Corinthians 5:5; 2 Corinthians 1:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Peter 3:10], is a direct reference to the “thousand years” [Revelation 20:2,3,4,5,6,7, see also Isaiah 24:22, “many days”], which is the final “day”, the 7th day – the great Sabbath, of the great week “with the Lord” [2 Peter 3:8]. ..." - https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...on-20-and-the-1000-years.190804/#post-4188761

Feel free to consider the remaining at that link, also feel free to peruse the following:

Armageddon & The Seven Last Plagues (Powerpoint)

The Millennium & The Final Revelation (Powerpoint)

I cited the person (on the OP) who chooses to remain anonymous at present, when I wrote:


That "someone" may be me, or it may not. This is the age of the internet, where everything written does not carry a persons signature, or even time of origin. If it is me, I am not telling you. It is irrelevant to the material presented. Deal with facts. Jesus did not go around saying, "Whose doctrine is this ... or who stated that ...", that was something the Pharisees did (see them sending to John, to Jesus, to Peter, to Paul, etc).

From mine own perspective, I do not care who wrote or said something. I only care does it agree with God in His word.

I gave you the source as the source desires to be identified - "someone".

All appropriate citations are given, by links to those which desire to be identified.

Why is it relevant to the issue of the OP?

The OP stands at present as unrefuted, and from this position at present, unrefutable. Thank you for your true concern. My concern is what saith the LORD, as the OP gives.

anonymous as a Source really isn't acceptable for me.

THE LAW SAVES NOT ONE PERSON

...........IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO

You know very well that my point is that John would have called it the Sabbath and not the Lord's Day. You're just mincing words.

Israel = Sabbath

The Sabbath being apart of the law, no work was to be done. It was a legal day of rest. Anyone who did not keep the Sabbath was to be cut off from Israel. - Exod.31:14

Church = The Lord's Day

An observance by the church in recognition of the day Christ was resurrected, the Lord's day, which was the first day of the week.

Now, concerning the Lords Day as you are presenting it, IF you are saying that ALL Christians should be worshiping God on Saturday ...

as the only Biblical day of worship, then yeah, I refute that.

What you have said above is very true. So, my question to you is, when has anyone been able to keep the whole law? That would be, never! Therefore the law is a curse to every human being, because we could not and cannot keep it..

What you have said above is very true. So, my question to you is, when has anyone been able to keep the whole law? That would be, never! Therefore the law is a curse to every human being, because we could not and cannot keep it. If you go back and read my post, I said that "the law is holy and righteous, but mankind could not keep it." And since we cannot keep it because of our sinful nature, then it is always a curse to us. Because of this, Satan and the powers of darkness used the law against us. I was their ammunition against us. Because we can't keep the law it condemns us. But Jesus as a man kept it. Jesus freed every believer from the law by fulfilling it as a man. By having faith in Him, the law has been fulfilled on our behalf. The same is true regarding God's wrath which continues to rest upon all of those who are without faith. Jesus took upon himself God's wrath which every believer deserves, satisfying it completely, which as the scripture says, "we are not appointed to suffer God's wrath" because Jesus already did. In the same way, scripture says that the wages/reward for sin is death. As the scripture states, Jesus suffered death, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone."

Jesus accomplished everything in the flesh on our behalf, freeing us from condemnation and wrath. When we believed, we were credited with the righteousness of Christ and reconciled to God.

Nay we establish the law. For the law is written in our hearts and we became the servants of righteousness. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made us free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the just shall live by faith. The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: THAT IS, the word of faith, which we preach; God's Law in the heart and mind. Behold all things are new and of God. For the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
(Rom 3:31 KJV)
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.
(Rom 2:14-15 KJV)
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
(Rom 6:18 KJV)
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(Rom 7:22-8:4 KJV)
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
(Rom 1:16-17 KJV)
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
(Rom 9:30-33 KJV)
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above; Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(Rom 10:4-8 KJV)
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
(Rom 11:26-27 KJV)

Sabbath is not Saturday. I pray that is clear. The first is God's time (even unto even) and the second Pagan Roman time (midnight to midnight). I pray that is clear.

Secondly, Christians are to worship God 24/7/365, not merely upon Sabbath (seventh day, the Lord's day).

Finally, the 4th commandment encompasses all days in the week, thus every day in the month and year. See Exodus20:8-11.

That is the confusion of terms. The sabbath is the day of "rest", not the only day of worship. As stated, Christians are to worship God 24/7/365. Yet the 4th commandment speaks about 6 days of work and the 7th of rest from that work. It even speaks of the difference of work allowed on the 6 days, as opposed to the 7th day. 6 days of common work, but all 7 days for holy work (John 5:17).

Sabbath is not Saturday. I pray that is clear. The first is God's time (even unto even) and the second Pagan Roman time (midnight to midnight). I pray that is clear.

Secondly, Christians are to worship God 24/7/365, not merely upon Sabbath (seventh day, the Lord's day).

Finally, the 4th commandment encompasses all days in the week, thus every day in the month and year. See Exodus20:8-11.

That is the confusion of terms. The sabbath is the day of "rest", not the only day of worship. As stated, Christians are to worship God 24/7/365. Yet the 4th commandment speaks about 6 days of work and the 7th of rest from that work. It even speaks of the difference of work allowed on the 6 days, as opposed to the 7th day. 6 days of common work, but all 7 days for holy work (John 5:17).

You did not bold the verse below;


Paul;
" For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. "
Legalism;
"but,but,but"

No buts.if i am walking in the spirit,i am not at the same time immersed in sin.
My sabbath is every day.
I no longer observe a ordinance of one day for God,six for me.
I no longer tithe a tenth...it all belongs to him.
i no longer have my life. I am sacrificed to him ...i lose my life for him.

People think they have really done something because they worship on saturday. They really put themselves up there.
..not knowing they should have given all.
Deception.

The shadow ceremonial things of men as a sign to mankind must be separated from the unseen eternal things of God .

The word rest (sabbath) is no stranger. Adding new meaning destroys intent of the author .

Sabbath is rest with no extra meaning added. . It is not a time sensitive word in any way shape or form . The word sabbath is synonymous to the word "today". Which is any time period under the sun when a parson does enter his rest, having mixed the unseen understanding of faith with that seen the temporal. Therefore yoked with Christ who does soften our new hearts. .

Note. . . Seventh day below = last day, day of the lord to include the phrase "And in this place again"

Hebrews 4 :1-11King James Version (KJV)Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Please take notice to the phrase, he also. in verse ten
Two rests being spoken of in the text. The Sabbath (ceasing from work as God did) and the Rest which we partake of which is the Gospel. Please also take note to the clause, "as God did from his". That is a direct comparison. That ceasing from work which we also do is to be on the Seventh Day as God did.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbath keeping) to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel rest) , he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Boxes everybody has boxes. The post you responded to was in answer to this statement. In particularly the bold emphasized part. "Therefore the law is a curse to every human being, because we could not and cannot keep it.. "

Sabbath is a day of rest. A day with No secular Work that we are to keep holy.
So no you do not Sabbath everyday, you work.

The Seventh Day is the Sabbath of our Lord our God. He chooses us to Sabbath with Him and in so doing keep it Holy.

Exod 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exod 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exod 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exod 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.