On this Virus from China

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EleventhHour

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Yeah, the fear factor they are using is quite alarming. They've got most of the world sitting at home hoping they will save us and in total fear right now. I don't know if most people realize this right now, but they are actually limiting our rights and we are allowing it. God only knows what the future holds.
There is absolutely cause for concern... I hate to tell you this but the USA is not taking this seriously and the toll will be much worse than it needs be.

I have family in Italy and it worse than you think...and the USA is taking the same slow to act posture.

The numbers do not lie and the facts are this if this virus if not managed it will through your health care system into chaos.
 

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Though I’m Christian and conservative, I live in a humanistic liberal cesspool part of America. It’s comical seeing signs in the grocery store stating certain products are being sold in limited quantities in order to better meet the needs of a greater number of people.

It seems the all loving, all caring liberals are hoarding products deemed necessary during this pandemic and have no concern or wherewithal for their fellow man, who happen to be overwhelming liberal themselves. 😆
I live in a community where new houses built must be at least $500,000 in value. I've never met a Democrat in my neighborhood, nor have I seen a bumper sticker with support for a liberal candidate... yet at my local grocery store, they are doing the same thing in regards to toilet paper.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but this is a human thing, not a Republican or Democrat thing. Just because my area started buying and hoarding toilet paper doesn't mean that this is how every Republican is. People have these filters over their eyes that it's "my side versus their side". In reality, both sides are guilty of being hypocrites. Party loyalty (cheer your team) seems to be what separates people. I've seen it separate fellow brothers and sisters in Christ in this very forum. It's time we stop thinking superficially and start looking at problems objectively so we can efficiently find a solution to the problem.

We should also give credit to companies who are setting such limited quantities for things like toilet paper and other products. They could easily capitalize on all this demand but instead of maximizing their profits, they are trying to do the right thing and provide for as many people as possible in this time of need. I'm the first to attack corporate welfare, but also the first to give a corporation credit when they do right.
 

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There is absolutely cause for concern... I hate to tell you this but the USA is not taking this seriously and the toll will be much worse than it needs be.

I have family in Italy and it worse than you think...and the USA is taking the same slow to act posture.

The numbers do not lie and the facts are this if this virus if not managed it will through your health care system into chaos.
Yes, as with any illness there is cause for concern. The flu has wiped out thousands, 12,000 to 30,000 in the US alone in the past few months. So unless there is something else that they are not telling us, then the numbers are just not adding up as of yet.

China is now saying that the virus has peaked...
Is this accurate info on China?... Mainland China 80,860 Cases 3,213 Deaths.

This is bad and I hate that people are dying, but why are they going to the extremes over this. Is there something else or some other factor that we don't know about with this disease?
 
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Fear is a spiritual force that feeds on itself. That's at least part of why God tells us not to fear.

Below is a c/l ad that I think is a good example of fear / panic buying. food.jpg

Let's just calm down a bit.

North Florida U.S.A.
 

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I live in a community where new houses built must be at least $500,000 in value. I've never met a Democrat in my neighborhood, nor have I seen a bumper sticker with support for a liberal candidate... yet at my local grocery store, they are doing the same thing in regards to toilet paper.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but this is a human thing, not a Republican or Democrat thing. Just because my area started buying and hoarding toilet paper doesn't mean that this is how every Republican is. People have these filters over their eyes that it's "my side versus their side". In reality, both sides are guilty of being hypocrites. Party loyalty (cheer your team) seems to be what separates people. I've seen it separate fellow brothers and sisters in Christ in this very forum. It's time we stop thinking superficially and start looking at problems objectively so we can efficiently find a solution to the problem.

We should also give credit to companies who are setting such limited quantities for things like toilet paper and other products. They could easily capitalize on all this demand but instead of maximizing their profits, they are trying to do the right thing and provide for as many people as possible in this time of need. I'm the first to attack corporate welfare, but also the first to give a corporation credit when they do right.
Conservatives by and large or not hypocrites. They’re not the ones preaching and pointing dagger-like fingers demanding everyone do everything for everybody then turn around and hoard everything in a time of need. That’s what liberals do. Their hypocrisy is boundless and it’s what I dislike most about them.
 
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EleventhHour

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Yes, as with any illness there is cause for concern. The flu has wiped out thousands, 12,000 to 30,000 in the US alone in the past few months. So unless there is something else that they are not telling us, then the numbers are just not adding up as of yet.

China is now saying that the virus has peaked...
Is this accurate info on China?... Mainland China 80,860 Cases 3,213 Deaths.

This is bad and I hate that people are dying, but why are they going to the extremes over this. Is there something else or some other factor that we don't know about with this disease?
Agree.. all illness and death is a cause for concern.

This is not a flu virus...the flu kills less than 1 percent.... this hovering around 3 percent with countries with moderate health care services.

I will check the numbers ....but one must remember China took extreme drastic measure at 50 infected so they were able to do containment...the US is past containment at this stage...this could infect 80% of the population over the course of the year...yet there many uncertainties.
 
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EleventhHour

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Yes, as with any illness there is cause for concern. The flu has wiped out thousands, 12,000 to 30,000 in the US alone in the past few months. So unless there is something else that they are not telling us, then the numbers are just not adding up as of yet.

China is now saying that the virus has peaked...
Is this accurate info on China?... Mainland China 80,860 Cases 3,213 Deaths.

This is bad and I hate that people are dying, but why are they going to the extremes over this. Is there something else or some other factor that we don't know about with this disease?
I also think the numbers are probably higher since it is hard to know how transparent have been.
 
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Agree.. all illness and death is a cause for concern.

This is not a flu virus...the flu kills less than 1 percent.... this hovering around 3 percent with countries with moderate health care services.

I will check the numbers ....but one must remember China took extreme drastic measure at 50 infected so they were able to do containment...the US is past containment at this stage...this could infect 80% of the population over the course of the year...yet there many uncertainties.
some of that is like you mentioned the total tally of the cases may not be known yet but the flu infects just in america 45 million are infected each year world wide it is way higher than that.

so that 2% is of 182 thousand cases and the infected cases are climbing more than death cases so at some point that 2% will shift to a lower percentage if the current tread of infected cases to death cases stays as is infected cases climb higher than death cases
 
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EleventhHour

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some of that is like you mentioned the total tally of the cases may not be known yet but the flu infects just in america 45 million are infected each year world wide it is way higher than that.

so that 2% is of 182 thousand cases and the infected cases are climbing more than death cases so at some point that 2% will shift to a lower percentage if the current tread of infected cases to death cases stays as is infected cases climb higher than death cases
You seem to want to deny basic calculus and exponential rates when it comes to this virus..anyway I have tried.
 
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EleventhHour

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some of that is like you mentioned the total tally of the cases may not be known yet but the flu infects just in america 45 million are infected each year world wide it is way higher than that.

so that 2% is of 182 thousand cases and the infected cases are climbing more than death cases so at some point that 2% will shift to a lower percentage if the current tread of infected cases to death cases stays as is infected cases climb higher than death cases
The flu is not as transmissible because it is only infectious for a short period of time.
 
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You seem to want to deny basic calculus and exponential rates when it comes to this virus..anyway I have tried.
I am looking at the daily totals of infected cases reported and cases of deaths of that total, the infected cases are climbing more than the death cases so yea it is simple math to know as more infected case are reported the total death 2% will come down if the infected cases are rising more than death cases.
 
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The flu is not as transmissible because it is only infectious for a short period of time.
as like the flu corona virus isn't what is killing people its the secondary infections and low level body systems, like the flu pneumonia is probably main reason flu infected people die.

80% of infected people do not even know that have it or have mild symptoms
 
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Funny how everyone (almost) is panicking and grabbing what they can at the stores.......NOW in the midst of a crisis.....

Destiny favours the prepared.....and it is biblical to prepare BEFORE the season hits and crap hits the fan.....

Bible -->A wise man sees evil coming and PREPARES FOR IT <----PREP is short for PREPARE............

Imagine that....I have been saying for years everyone better prep for what is coming and MANY on this site laughed me to scorn....now while I sit on enough for 50 for 5 years I am laughing!!!!!!!
 
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EleventhHour

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I am looking at the daily totals of infected cases reported and cases of deaths of that total, the infected cases are climbing more than the death cases so yea it is simple math to know as more infected case are reported the total death 2% will come down if the infected cases are rising more than death cases.
I am speaking to the infection rate.... that is an exponential rate of increase....because we have no idea how many are presently infected in the USA ...estimates are around 100 000 each one those are infecting 10 people, each one of them is infecting 10 people etc., etc. growing exponentially.
 
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EleventhHour

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Funny how everyone (almost) is panicking and grabbing what they can at the stores.......NOW in the midst of a crisis.....

Destiny favours the prepared.....and it is biblical to prepare BEFORE the season hits and crap hits the fan.....

Bible -->A wise man sees evil coming and PREPARES FOR IT <----PREP is short for PREPARE............

Imagine that....I have been saying for years everyone better prep for what is coming and MANY on this site laughed me to scorn....now while I sit on enough for 50 for 5 years I am laughing!!!!!!!
Seems like I am getting similar treatment...lol
 
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EleventhHour

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Funny how everyone (almost) is panicking and grabbing what they can at the stores.......NOW in the midst of a crisis.....

Destiny favours the prepared.....and it is biblical to prepare BEFORE the season hits and crap hits the fan.....

Bible -->A wise man sees evil coming and PREPARES FOR IT <----PREP is short for PREPARE............

Imagine that....I have been saying for years everyone better prep for what is coming and MANY on this site laughed me to scorn....now while I sit on enough for 50 for 5 years I am laughing!!!!!!!
Some are still in denial it seems.
 
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Some are still in denial it seems.
This is nothing.....when WW3 kicks off, the economies of the world fail, and diseases en masse hit and the world reels from the effects......and BELIEVERS figure out it is a post tribulation pre-wrath ingathering it will be too late for many......tragically GOD warns his children just LIKE NOAH preached build an ark it is gonna rain.....the ones JESUS preaches to were SOMETIMES disobedient.......think on that a bit....!!
 
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This is nothing.....when WW3 kicks off, the economies of the world fail, and diseases en masse hit and the world reels from the effects......and BELIEVERS figure out it is a post tribulation pre-wrath ingathering it will be too late for many......tragically GOD warns his children just LIKE NOAH preached build an ark it is gonna rain.....the ones JESUS preaches to were SOMETIMES disobedient.......think on that a bit....!!
Agree
The economy is in failure mode as we speak..wheels are set in motion.
 
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I am speaking to the infection rate.... that is an exponential rate of increase....because we have no idea how many are presently infected in the USA ...estimates are around 100 000 each one those are infecting 10 people, each one of them is infecting 10 people etc., etc. growing exponentially.
Yes and that rate of infected with mild to no symptoms is growing faster than the death of the total infected.

another reason why this is a little different is the lack or little symptoms of 80% of the infected.

in flu outbreaks there is a much smaller window of people who don't know they have the flu or with little symptoms. I have not experienced anyone in my life who didn't know they had the flu not saying there are not people who get the flu and don't know it, so that in its self is boggling to the medical fields. Because of that unless it's mandontary for all citizens to be tested the numbers can't be truly known.

If someone has a headache are they going to go get tested for the corona I'd say it's unlikely yet the could have the virus with a the symptom of a headache
 
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Funny how everyone (almost) is panicking and grabbing what they can at the stores.......NOW in the midst of a crisis.....

Destiny favours the prepared.....and it is biblical to prepare BEFORE the season hits and crap hits the fan.....

Bible -->A wise man sees evil coming and PREPARES FOR IT <----PREP is short for PREPARE............

Imagine that....I have been saying for years everyone better prep for what is coming and MANY on this site laughed me to scorn....now while I sit on enough for 50 for 5 years I am laughing!!!!!!!
well I wouldn't laugh

but it does amaze me that people are fighting over tp and hand sanitizer

even my dogs have prepped...well I did it for them