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gb9

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basically, from the research I have done ( a lot), this is a " super flu", kind of like the difference a common cold and the flu is the difference between the " common flu" the Chinese virus.
 
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EleventhHour

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basically, from the research I have done ( a lot), this is a " super flu", kind of like the difference a common cold and the flu is the difference between the " common flu" the Chinese virus.
If 45 million get the flu 45 000 may die

If 45 million get this virus about 900 000 will die... mortality rate is much higher for many reasons.

With this virus if the person does get really sick they often need ventilation beyond 10 days sometimes up to 20.... that is not common with the more typical corona viruses when ventilation is needed.

Hence the need for ventilators.
 

gb9

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If 45 million get the flu 45 000 may die

If 45 million get this virus about 900 000 will die... mortality rate is much higher for many reasons.

With this virus if the person does get really sick they often need ventilation beyond 10 days sometimes up to 20.... that is not common with the more typical corona viruses when ventilation is needed.

Hence the need for ventilators.
45 mil getting this is quite a stretch.
if you look at the actual numbers ( not the media hype and lies), you will see a little over 500,000 have been tested, with 85, 000 infected, with 1300 deaths.
so, even if someone has symptoms ( only people with symptoms re being tested) there is a 85% chance is not the Wuhan virus, and even if it is, there is a 98% chance ( so far) that it is not fatal.

do not believe the media. check the real numbers.
 
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45 mil getting this is quite a stretch.
if you look at the actual numbers ( not the media hype and lies), you will see a little over 500,000 have been tested, with 85, 000 infected, with 1300 deaths.
so, even if someone has symptoms ( only people with symptoms re being tested) there is a 85% chance is not the Wuhan virus, and even if it is, there is a 98% chance ( so far) that it is not fatal.

do not believe the media. check the real numbers.
Estimates are that 60 million had H1N1 in 2009 over the course of the year in USA.

The rate of infections is known .. the incubation rate is known and that why the virus poses such a problem.
Exponential growth curve of this virus far different than other viruses..... simple math.
 

Lanolin

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I think if you know statistics, have access to research and you know where the biases are and what is being stated and what is not, you can get to the facts.

And there are many people neither panicking nor in denial.
inhave access to research and you are all blatantly ignoring it.

listen up.
you people in america are totally ignorant. shame on you.

if you had not all bought all your luxury goods from China with your consumer demands this problem would have been prevented, instead you indirectly caused millions of people worldwide immense suffering just so you could live a life of luxury.
 
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EleventhHour

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inhave access to research and you are all blatantly ignoring it.

listen up.
you people in america are totally ignorant. shame on you.

if you had not all bought all your luxury goods from China with your consumer demands this problem would have been prevented, instead you indirectly caused millions of people worldwide immense suffering just so you could live a life of luxury.
How does this make sense...

I think the Chinese tyrannical government is very happy with their slave labour force making their products cheaply for other countries, the only people to blame for China"s problems are the people at the top .. the oppressive tyrannical authoritarian regime.

The entire world would be better off of the Cultural Revolution had never happened.

Law of supply and demand.... Chinese government very willingly put itself on the supply of the equation.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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inhave access to research and you are all blatantly ignoring it.

listen up.
you people in america are totally ignorant. shame on you.

if you had not all bought all your luxury goods from China with your consumer demands this problem would have been prevented, instead you indirectly caused millions of people worldwide immense suffering just so you could live a life of luxury.

is there a smiley indicating koo koo? probably would get used too often anyway :cautious:
 
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7seasrekeyed

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the US is not at all the only country responsible for the growth of China

China, refused to trade with other countries up until 40 years ago and the US was not the first nation to trade with China

Prior to the initiation of economic reforms and trade liberalization nearly 40 years ago, China maintained policies that kept the economy very poor, stagnant, centrally controlled, vastly inefficient, and relatively isolated from the global economy. Since opening up to foreign trade and investment and implementing free-market reforms in 1979, China has been among the world’s fastest-growing economies, with real annual gross domestic product (GDP) growth averaging 9.5% through 2018, a pace described by the World Bank as “the fastest sustained expansion by a major economy in history.” Such growth has enabled China, on average, to double its GDP every eight years and helped raise an estimated 800 million people out of poverty. China has become the world’s largest economy (on a purchasing power parity basis), manufacturer, merchandise trader, and holder of foreign exchange reserves. This in turn has made China a major commercial partner of the United States. China is the largest U.S. merchandise trading partner, biggest source of imports, and third-largest U.S. export market. China is also the largest foreign holder of U.S. Treasury securities, which help fund the federal debt and keep U.S. interest rates low. source

the US may be the largest trading power, but the US is also considerably larger population wise, then many other countries involved with trade.

ignorant remarks lead to more ignorance, so here is a link to educate anyone who actually cares about such things

LINK this will take you to an exhaustive fact based site that shows China's exports, imports on a country by country basis, put together by the World Integrated Trade Solution
 
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kaylagrl

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inhave access to research and you are all blatantly ignoring it.

listen up.
you people in america are totally ignorant. shame on you.

if you had not all bought all your luxury goods from China with your consumer demands this problem would have been prevented, instead you indirectly caused millions of people worldwide immense suffering just so you could live a life of luxury.
Come on, let's put the blame where it should be. Communist China knew about this virus, they covered it up, they lied about it and they alone are responsible for this suffering. Stop shifting the blame. A doctor died trying to tell the truth about this virus. China will suffer for this, I'm sure the US will see to it.
 

Lanolin

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the US and its govts has already caused immense suffering over the world already. porn drugs, shootings.

pot calling kettle black.
 

Lanolin

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and thousands of people died trying to tell the truth about the ugly history of the US too.
 

Lanolin

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if america reopens it will be worse for everyone because they will spread the virus with their rubbish tv.
 
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kaylagrl

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the US and its govts has already caused immense suffering over the world already. porn drugs, shootings.

pot calling kettle black.
So you're comparing a free country and saying they are worse than a communist country? Porn,drugs, shootings happen all over the world. In some countries you can pick a woman from a window to have sex with and abuse. So let's not act like the US is the problem.
 
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EleventhHour

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if america reopens it will be worse for everyone because they will spread the virus with their rubbish tv.
I am not stating that the USA is the land of virtue .. however stick to the original point.

Prove that the USA caused China to industrialize, create a slave labor force and then market those goods to other countries.
China is very happy with USA and other counties having a demands for its products.

China is not innocent, nor has it been taken advantage of as you seem to imply.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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when people run head on into a brick wall, I say let them

they cannot hear the intelligent responses because their ears are stuck inna wall :whistle:

yeah

just blame the US for everything in the world

like Trump states, time the countries that have been breast feeding off the US for years, find another momma..well ok, those were not his exact words but you know what I mean

and I am not even American...but I see how it goes

I provided an excellent link for anyone who actually desired to educate themself with regards to China's dealings with the world

it is actually surprising