Not By Works

"Lifestyle of sin" is vague description and I find it rather meaningless myself, do some of the believers at the Church at Corinth fit this?

"Never saved to begin with"... when is it fair to make that assessment when someone backslides?

...having worked on the streets for the Sally Ann with all types, and I mean all types of very desperate people, and then seeing some come to Christ in humility and grow in faith for a long while, and then get pulled back to life on the streets, and when they go back even harder to recover typically, well I could never be the one to state they were never saved.

No one has the view of the totality of entire person's life from start to finish so it is a completely unfair assessment of one human to make of another based on someone having fallen into sin.

God takes care of His own one way or another ... scripture makes that clear.

Your FALSE Theology CONTRADICTS these SCRIPTURES:


Ephesians 1:11-14 (HCSB)
11 We have also received an inheritance in Him, predestined according to the purpose of the One who works out everything in agreement with the decision of His will,
12 so that we who had already put our hope in the Messiah might bring praise to His glory.
13 When you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and when you believed in Him
[Long before you can do your first work, so Obedience is Part of your Agape Love, that you do after you are SAVED.],
you were also sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.
14 He is the down payment of our inheritance, for the redemption of the possession, to the praise of His glory.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (NJB)
8 Because it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith; not by anything of your own, but by a gift from God;
9 not by anything that you have done, so that nobody can claim the credit.

Ephesians 6:24 (HCSB)
24 Grace be with all who have undying love for our Lord Jesus Christ.
{No such thing as a born again Christian that can lose his or her SALVATION.}

Ephesians 1:6 (NRSV)
6 to the praise of his glorious grace that he freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.

Acts 15:11 (HCSB)
11 On the contrary, we believe we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus in the same way they are.”

Ephesians 2:4-5 (HCSB)
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love that He had for us,
5 made us alive with the Messiah even though we were dead in trespasses. You are saved by grace!

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
5 He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.


I have a LOT more OSAS Verses that I would like to share with you, but that is enough. Most of us here on this thread are OSAS BELIEVERS, who are quite capable OF DEFENDING OUR BELIEFS, with the SCRIPTURES TO PROVE IT. LYING about OSAS Beliefs or REPEATING RUMORS about OSAS only hurts your cause and makes you appear foolish.

Actually, I focus on believing.
The saved person must continue in the believing he started out in to be saved when Jesus comes back.
You are confusing the works that believing invariably produces with the believing itself.
You're only able to see the works that faith produces as you trying to save yourself.
It's quite absurd.

I think you knew already I'd agree with all this here. I was talking about licentiousness being unbliblical. If someone's life didn't change when they became Christian there's something wrong with that... Doesn't mean everything is going to go away in an instant, or that I won't backslide but God will pull me out and grow me out, because I trust He will fix me how He wants me to be. (I know I'm quite a piece of work.) And I agree we shouldn't pronounce if another servant is falling that they are not saved.

I do good works out of love for Him who loved me first and saved (already not maybe some day) me from the just punishment I earned by His grace.

The only way to live peaceably with everyone without work is to die. Otherwise it takes the work of understanding their position among other things that take effort. Permissiveness is not loving, especially if it is allowing others to go peacefully to their own destruction.

My life didn't change ... I was always a good girl.

But is seems I am presently accused of every kind of evil now (not you)... funny how that happens.

Only a person who knows they are completely secure can do "good works" freely and without compunction.

even in the things where doing the right thing is motivated by a mature love for God yet.

"works that faith produces as you trying to save yourself" no what I am able to see that works that done apart from OSAS

are tainted with insecurity... when those people came to Jesus stating all the wonderful things they had done they were unsure .. not sure if they had made the grade, so they boasted to Him.

Actually, sinning is what the new osas camp does without compunction.
(Speaking generally of the new osas camp, of course.)
It's a very disturbing doctrine to say the least.

It contradicts eternal security of the believer and God’s preservation.

Like I said, you are only able to see the works that faith produces as you trying to save yourself.
Your new osas seems to take more comfort in NOT having any works than it does in having works.
Quite disturbing.

You know what I will not be put on the defensive by you and your accusations.

Actually, sinning is what the new osas camp does without compunction.
(Speaking generally of the new osas camp, of course.)
It's a very disturbing doctrine to say the least.

More accusations keep them coming...

You have much to learn.

... Permissiveness is not loving, especially if it is allowing others to go peacefully to their own destruction.

You have much to learn.