So many anti charismatic smear jobs allowed?

if you have never really experienced the LIVING Jesus apart from the Bible, that is known His presence and fell on your own knees (I have and you cannot help but understand that He is all and all and nothing and no one compares), how can you for one minute try to answer this question?

never mind. we know why you asked it

I remember once in particular, being alone at home...years back now...as I was praying and worshiping, I could not stand anymore and went backwards onto my bed. I was overcome by God's glory

I guess in your economy, I must be of the devil

the cessationist business is not from God

and most thankfully, MOST THANKFULLY, no one has to accept what you cranky old men have to say...you...Roger...mr united with Christ and several others on here who basically do NOT even believe what the Bible says and worse, you prevent others from seeking God

I have NEVER sought an experience. I ONLY seek God but God does grant to some who seek Him a glimpse into His eternal Spirit

I would say shame on you...but that's just cliche

I doubt he was including you. but since he quoted me, I don't think you have added anything of value to this thread, but rather have made a good number of ad hominim attacks actually illustrating one of the reasons the op created said thread in the first place

and since you seem to think you have the gift of discernment and can tell real Christians apart from the fake ones (your words from another thread), you must be over burdened with that great weight placed upon you

no wonder you get so irritated

you haven't been here very long yourself, but you are going to snap at newer members? what brand new day?

we also have the book of Revelation...John... I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, you do not know what that means if you reject all supernatural (normal for God) occurrences and call it all demonic

for that matter Paul states he does not know if he was in the body or out of the body taken up to paradise (he states I know a man, but most believe he was referring to himself) 2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of it I do not know, but God knows. 3And I know that this man— whether in the body or out of it I do not know, but God knows— 4was caught up to Paradise. II Cor

there are other examples, but every one is dismissed by these cessationists because THEY have nothing to go by regarding personal experience and so have simply dealt with that sad testimony by calling everyone who DOES have a spiritual encounter with God, as delusional, demonic or even just crazy. and some here are way worse than others

I mean who would even bother to write about anything they have experienced to be made fun of and torn apart by these people who seem to delight in doing that very thing? and you will be told that it is not biblical because your exact experience is not in scripture...doesn't matter if hundreds or more have the same experience actually described in the Bible...like speaking in tongues

very few have had the hellish time you have written about

it seems you may have got mixed up with some very ungodly people

whatever you survived was NOT...I repeat NOT...of God and you deciding that all people who are charismatic or whatever, are also practicing some sort of deception or involved in the demonic realm, is a direct reflection on your personal experience and not objective in the least

if anyone would stop and think about it, they will see that YOU had a bad experience while most of us are praising God and decidedly thankful for spiritual gifts

as far as judging goes, is that not exactly what YOU do in thread after thread of your creation? in fact, the op said nothing about judging. he was actually posting his experience in this forum and many of us can concur

who are you to decide we are all having the nasty experience that you claim you had? what was it in YOU that made you susceptible to such deception?

no. you do not recognize when someone is sincere since you do not suffer from that malady

the miracle for you is that as long as you have breath, God still calls

figure it out and stop attacking others with your anti-Holy Spirit rhetoric

I believe in sound doctrine, totally. I disagree with your POV on tongues. One day we'll know which of us is right. But to say someone who believes in tongues is demon possessed is ridiculous, and some here believe that. I utterly disagree with OSAS but I don't believe anyone who does believe it is a child of the devil. smh The OP has started the thread they wish to start, maybe leave them to it.

Then look how many people where deceived through people which promissed them you need no Doktor, you need only faith to be healed from your sickness. They came to a healing Service sick and left it sick. The different to the ministrie of Jesus. Everyone who came to Him was healed.
I dont know any cessasionist which denys that God is doing miracles today ore is healing through prayer ore even because of
Grace. But what we See since 1901 are teachings which we dont find taught to any Christian church in the NT. Bible says we should proof the teachings and the Spirit who is behind. Thats we are doing.

You would be so happy in the company of the mockers when the people of God came down from the upper room.

I bet you would have said the devil knocked down paul and then commented "the Holy Spirit is a gentleman" ..."He only approves of "decent and in order"

God is not in your box or your powerless changed bible

I dont get it either.
Nobody is putting a gun to their heads and telling them to stalk and attack the brethren.
They stalk like predators.
It is a spirit driving them.

The gifts and the Holy Spirit torment them. They can not stand it.

Not so much proudly "the Jews are flawed" but rather we offer them the gospel in a hope it will humble them . Jews are simply used to represent flawed mankind as a shadow in ceremonies a picture of the unseen to the whole world not a self righteous, edifying tools of wonderment (no faith) .

God does not view their corrupted flesh any different than that of other nations. He use animals and plants to give us the understanding of natural seen, and supernatural not seen.

Salvation is not after the corrupted flesh of any man . Even the Son of man, Jesus said His flesh and blood profits for nothing, zero . its the unseen that can alone profit as eternal.

Tongues is prophecy as one of the many manners he does speak to us . Its not about whether his spiritual unseen gifts are still working as the new tongue of the believer. The tongue of the gospel prophecy from faith the unseen to the same unseen .Faith to faith. Face to face. The power of the gospel it as it is written cast out lying spirits

But rather oral traditions of men are that which does make the tradition of God's law without effect. Turning it upside down.

Scripture reveals the sign by which we can know who has need of the gospel (sola scriptural as it is written) . But as we are informed . They love there self edifying work of wonderment so they continue to mock God by making a noise without meaning and falling back as the spirit of judgment. Not having a desire stop the oral traditions of men "self-edifying". . "self righteous"

SICK PEOPLE ..those attackers who make noises and fall backward mocking God . They need the gospel. Not more wonderment's

One is too many a thousand not enough.

Marvel not. . believe prophecy . The I understand sign.

Lol
The epistles were written by Holy Spirit Baptized men to other Holy Spirit baptized men.

You walked up to the barn got two ft away, shot both barrels and missed.

The only issue I have with charismatics is some have a tendency to neglect aspects of God that are not experiential. There are demons that perform wonders and lead people to worship men, but if someone is pointing to Christ and the Spirit is manifesting then I say great. I know from my own experience the Spirit of God is alive and active and working miracles to this day. Jesus promised we would do greater works than He did, and I don't think that just means bringing people to church. So while I don't trust many of the big names and theatrics of huxters it is not out of a denial that such things are possible.

I also am not in favor of some of the antics.

The charismatics have shot themselves in the foot over a thousand times.
The error is there for sure.

But what I am seeing is such a perversion of "oversight by ignorance" that it is appalling.
The clowns are accusing clowns of being clowns.

Such doctrinal buffoonery that has no clue of propecy,demons,spirits,authority,gifts.....etc.

No clue...none

And yet these same ignorant brethren are the expert judges that go as far to blaspheme the Holy Spirit in their supposed "knowledge of scripture"

You can rant all you want but there is absolutely no biblical basis for this ridiculous phenomenon. Christ knocked NO ONE down. He always picked up the ones who needed His healing touch. And that is the bottom line.

Also, the Holy Spirit does not do something which Jesus would not do. There is not one recorded instance in the Acts of the Apostles (more precisely the Acts of the Holy Spirit) where an apostle or an evangelist knocked down anyone. That happens only in boxing rings.

... and because it didn't happen exactly like this in Scripture, God is forbidden from doing it? Um, no. By your logic, nobody would ever be healed of cancer, addictions, or even a toothache, because Jesus never healed anyone of those maladies.

God is not limited to repeating the events recorded in Scripture. He just won't contradict Scripture. There is a huge difference.

Perhaps you take the opposite approach: that what is expressly recorded in Scripture limits what the Holy Spirit can do today. If so, what do you do with John 21:25?

By the way, you are setting yourself up as God's judge when you say what "Jesus would not do" without framing it as your opinion.

Brother, this is not directed at you. But a portion of what you said reminded me of other doctrinal ideas that are very "new" and some Believers buy it like its Gospel.


Pre-Trib Rapture is a little over 140 years old, not taught in the first 18 Centuries, but people have bought it like it is solid gold. How can you buy Pre-Trib but not what the Power of God can do (by even using Scripture references and examples) when it comes into contact with a human being?

I will further this thought. In the late 1800's, the man who conceived this idea was already considered a "Heretic." How does a Heretic become Gospel in a little over 100 years?

You did not answer the question. What do you mean by half a gospel?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

We know what Jesus would or would not do through the Bible itself. Not based on any opinion. And neither the Father, nor the Son, nor the Holy Spirit knocked down the children of God, or those who came to Christ for healing.

And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed. (Mt 8:3)

And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever. And he touched her hand, and the fever left her: and she arose, and ministered unto them. (Mt 8:14,15)

But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house. And he arose, and departed to his house. (Mt 9:6,7)

We could go through all the healing miracles of Christ, and discover that all were LIFTED UP, not CAST DOWN.