Not By Works

No, ALL those who presently believe have the promises of God.

well, you are saying that.
you are saying some actual true believers will be revealed by the passage of time to not actually have the promises.

Jesus knows His sheep who believe (present tense) and Jesus also knows from the beginning who they were who did not believe and also who would betray Him. (John 6:64-71)

Jesus wasn’t going to use the word believed, past tense, while still walking the Earth.

And yet He does not deny the person who presently believes in Him knowing they won't always believe/trust in Him.
He did not deny the Galatians salvation even though He knew they would stop trusting in Him for justification.

to say some of His sheep will reject Him in favor of a stranger is to categorically contradict what He says about them: all of them.

When He has brought out all His own, He goes on ahead of them, and His sheep follow Him because they know His voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice. (John 10:4-5)

Where does Jesus say that present tense believers will not always believe in Him? That’s not what I’m reading in (John 3:15,16,18; 5:24: 6:39,40,47; 11:25,26; 18:9)

The Galatians were getting sidetracked by legalistic teachers, but nowhere does it state that seeking justification by the law was their final answer and they lost their salvation.

The law, holding up, abide, etc. What would Jesus say, especially this weekend, to those who do not take His death, burial and RESURRECTION as the completed work? All we have to do is to BELIEVE, ACCEPT, for eternal salvation.

He doesn't today either.
Only those who are in a present state of believing are presently saved:

"you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you" - 1 Corinthians 15:2

'Saved' and 'hold fast' are in the present tense.
You have to be presently holding fast to the gospel message to be presently saved.
These are the plain words of scripture.

Why don't you listen to what I'm saying?
Jesus is addressing present tense believers.
The matter of those who stop believing is addressed elsewhere in the whole context of scripture.

If you mean God had not turned them over to the loss of justification in Christ yet, yes, that is true. But Paul made it crystal clear, no interpretation needed, that they make Christ of no value to themselves in justification by going back to the law for justification, which they did in fact do. The letter says so. No interpretations needed.

I will go with the people who have studied Koine Greek, so really I am not on my own but you are.

One minute it is too much sin, next minute the issue is stop believing, then it is no fruit... then it is not fulfilling the law.

You are so desperate to prove NOSAS................. but your desperation and inconsistency speaks volumes.

I’ve been listening to what you are saying for quite a while now. Nowhere does the Bible say that genuine believers “stopped believing” and “lost their salvation.” Temporarily getting sidetracked by legalistic teachers does not mean that going back to the law for justification was their final answer. Paul has confidence in these Galatians and I do too and I also have confidence in God’s preservation.

No, I'm saying that true present tense believers do actually possess the promises, but they will no longer possess the promises if they stop their present tense believing and it becomes past tense believing. Because only believers (present tense) possess the promises:

"47Very truly I tell you, the one who believes (present tense) has eternal life." - John 6:47

"everyone who looks to the Son and believes (present tense) in him shall have eternal life" - John 6:40

"24“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes (present tense) him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life." - John 5:24

The promises are addressed to present tense believers, not those who stop believing.
Only the person who presently believes possesses the promises.
These are the plain words of scripture.

"11I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you." - Galatians 4:11

This shows you can not take Paul's 'go get em, tiger' admonition as him absolutely believing without a doubt that they would believe again. You can't fear that you've wasted your efforts on them at the same time you are sure they will definitely come back to faith in Christ. You're misinterpreting the intent of his confidence in them.

You don't even seem to be able to understand the argument, let alone agree with it.

He doesn't today either.
Only those who are in a present state of believing are presently saved:

"you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you" - 1 Corinthians 15:2

'Saved' and 'hold fast' are in the present tense.
You have to be presently holding fast to the gospel message to be presently saved.
These are the plain words of scripture.

"you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you" - 1 Corinthians 15:2

You've cherry picked this, the context is that some among them were saying there is no resurrection:

(1 Cor 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?)

Denying the resurrection is a profound doctrinal error, which is why Paul is exhorting them to follow the word that he preached to them.

Somewhat like you and the doctrine you profess.

Explained to him so many times.

And then he states I have comprehension and reading problems.

How do you keep the Law when Paul stated those in Christ are dead and buried to the Law. The Law is bondage, this is what the werkers fail to understand.

(Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar)

(Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.)

(Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.)

I'm sure the werkers can spin the above to mean exactly the opposite of what it plainly says.


The werkers are effectively adulterers, claiming to be married to Christ while still lusting over Moses' Law.

(Rom 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?)

(Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God)