This Corona virus pandemic could be the weapon that takes our liberties away , all in the name of saving lives?

Can you expand on that thought? What did Dr. Fauci sell his soul for? Did he get a huge payout? He has advised six Presidents ... both democrats & republicans. That is quite a record for someone who has "sold his soul" .. which means what? You have to be clear because I do not understand that you are alluding to.

You were trained to be a critical thinker , All Presidents since Reagan and the ones they run against were approved by Bush 41 and his Rothchild, Rockefeller, Soros, ect. clique .. Trump was not supposed to ever be President .. Fauci was selected by Bush 41 and if he was legit he would never lasted that long .. Tell me critical thinker, do you think Hillary is a crook with all kinds of crimes through the years or is she just accused but innocent ? Did it make sense to give big pharma immunity legislation from harm inflicted from various immunization shots since 86 ? Do you not think Fauci is connected and participant up to his neck ?

Again. More misplaced inference attributed to me. I have said multiple times that OBVIOUSLY I'm wrong on things. EVERYONE is wrong on some things. We wouldn't have hundreds of denominations if everyone was right on everything. Do I have to say after every post that "I think I'm right, but I might be wrong"?


It doesn't explain why every month or so you pop your head in and ask me a baited question, only to bash me and my response, and then act all pious.

Further, YOU chose to come to a thread about the virus and freedom. There are THOUSANDS of threads that will fit just about anything you are looking for. I find you very disingenuous.

Can we learn to look at this pandemic in more positive way? Like, it is a wake up call for us to spend more time reading the bible, bring our worries, concerns etc. to our Lord in prayer, better communications/relatioships with those around us, all these which we ain't doing before due to we are to pre-occupied with our daily normal lives?

For Church activities, can't you use internet technology to replace physical presence in church? Those churches in third world counties have used this as an ultimate solutions, why can't you all?

So I get a notification now that you are following me. For what purpose since you obviously have nothing but disdain for my comments.

Especially since the poster keeps their profile hidden.

Preach them the gospel while you have the opportunity.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I suspect they are a former member that has some grievance against me.

You will accumulate some detractors along the way if you stand for Christ. They hated Jesus for teaching the truth so they will buffet us as they have opportunity. An evidence that you have something they lack. Faint not stand for Christ no matter the cost.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

there is that, there is also the thing that some people , if told about all the things that are happening now about 2 months ago, they would have called us crazy conspiracy theorists .

anyone who is bold enough to stand up the mainstream narrative will be called names.

what we are never called is correct when we are correct.

And where has this person indicated they do not stand for Christ?
And how does differing views on this virus and epidemiology even remotely connected to standing for Christ?

I was wondering about the same thing.

Some people must really be thinking highly of themselves😁.

Where have they indicated that they stand for Christ?

What is in the heart is revealed by what folks say. I do not advocate being foolish but the bird hasteth toward the snare not knowing it is for his life.

Pr 7:23 Till a dart strike through his liver; as a bird hasteth to the snare, and knoweth not that it is for his life.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Have you read every post by this person.
The absence of a statement on a discussion thread is not proof of anything.
And my profile is hidden as well, I do not need weird people bothering me.

What if instead of testing for COVID-19, they were checking if you were married. 50% of deaths were of people who had a wife. Therefore, having a wife must be very dangerous. Absolutely unscientific.

The same logic as if a baby or child dies within minutes or hours of receiving a vaccine, it's a coincidence, no? Cooking the numbers to achieve political goals.

You have no way of knowing this, by the same token people have died that were not tested and cause of death unknown since this virus attacks in various part of the body.
There will never be a way to ascertain the real numbers.
If you have a heart attack and have the virus the reason you probably had the heart ache in this particular case is the virus, so yes the virus is the cause of death.

I really think people do not understand viruses that much is clear we rather look to conspiracies to explain reality.
Basic understanding that the symptoms is not the virus but the bodies response to the virus is also seems to be lost on some people calling it nothing more than a cold.

Some posts on here are just sad.
So not founded in rationality and reason ... the very tools God gave us.

so, when one of the doctors heading the national virus response team says " we are counting every person who tests positive for the virus as a virus death", I am supposed to just dismiss this as no big deal??

I mean, there has to be a high death total to justify this response all the shutdowns.

and my city, Athens ga, just announced yesterday they are to post mortis test those who have " died unattended".

now, of course all this could be just rhetoric.

but, I wanted to get higher numbers, these 2 things would be a good way to reach that goal.

The question is would those people have died apart from being infected... most doctors would state NO. that is why death by the virus is the cause of death.

Really important to look at this from a physiological/medical perspective not a conspiratorial one.

A virus will attacks the weakest part of the body, so yes it they die it is due to the virus.
You are asking for a separation of causes that is physiologically impossible that is not how the body works.

You know we have had many, many other pandemics and epidemics, what should we do .. we do not know this virus well, most likely a virus that was tampered with and engineered, what exactly is your solution.

We have no scientifically proven treatment, limited hospital beds, doctors, nurses etc.,, so are you saying that economy supersedes efforts to minimize against death?

You know the virus left to run rampant will destroy the economy too and moreover people will die and not only the older and the less than healthy.

You really trust China's numbers, do you know that people were bolted in their homes there... even when they acted so strongly and quickly most believe about 75 000 people died.
What would no mitigation have meant to a country like the USA.. no mitigation would have been a disaster.

in agree with this.

I mean, a u.s. navy ship with 4,000 sailors gets only 600 or so infections. that backs up my point of view .

saw a story this morning that a French navel ship with about 1700 sailors had over 600 infections.

that backs up your point of view.

so, who really knows????

gb9 .. I really appreciate that you are willing to converse on this.

One thing to consider, to 4000 only 600 were infected does not mean the virus would not have traveled further if had been undetected.

In that case an epidemiologist would want to trace back who the first infected person was and when that infection occurred.
The number of days they all interacted before the testing started would also be helpful to know.
Also was a person that interacted with many on the ship or had more limited circle of interaction.

These are all important pieces of the puzzle, so even just looking at the raw numbers with all that back ground information does not really tell us too much.

I have read the articles and they do not tell us enough about all these factors.