Your Environment Is Cleaner. Your Immune System Has Never Been So Unprepared - NY Times

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It appears clean freaks have compromised immune systems

A WORD OF CAUTION TO EVERYONE. THE NY TIMES IS THE LEADER IN FAKE NEWS TODAY. IT CHOOSES TO DELIBERATELY MISLEAD PEOPLE, THEN FAILS TO APOLOGIZE WHEN CAUGHT OUT.

Do you have any evidence of that to offer? Besides typing in all caps?

I put this out there because I know a lot of people are doing their best to be informed. Eleventh_Hour shared a video of two California doctors that has since been removed by youtube, thankfully its still available on at least one other platform. One of the points they addressed is how to build and maintian a healthy and strong immune system. Much of what they put forward about mortality rates and the infection rate has been challenged, but I have yet to see anyone taking issue with what they said about what is needed for a heathy immune system.

And what they say in the video is backed up by other material I'm reading. In the video the Doctors assert that sheltering in place as much as possible, constantly washing our hands and disinfecting surfaces in our homes to eliminate as many germs and bacterium as humanly possible....that in doing so we're likely weakening our immune systems. When things eventually (I pray) open back up I want my immune system and that of those close to me...heck of everyone, to be as strong as possible.

Here's the NYT article for which the subject line is the title:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/health/immune-system-allergies.html

It appears clean freaks have compromised immune systems

There are millions of pathogens in our home, but for sure sanitizing constantly and everywhere is not a good thing.

The reason being is when we do this we are eliminating the helpful bacteria and viruses that help us keep a balance in our gut, skin inside etc.,

Good bacteria eats bad bacteria (very simple analogy) ... this helps keeps a balance.

I'd be curious to know your thoughts on a particular question EH. I have some data, but not enough. What I know from Health Canada's website (I believe you're also in Canada) is that 806,499 tests have been done (as I write this) with 55,473 coming back positive. I'm reading that there is potential for both false positives and false negatives...but I'm going to leave that completely aside for the moment.

That's 6.9% by my math....and I'm wondering, if the remaining 93.1%.....is it possible that some of them have been in contract with coronavirus and simply not been infected by it? Like a natureal immunity kind of thing? I'm just wondering if something around this 6.9% figure....could this be the % of the population susceptible to getting infected, be it mild, asymptomatic, serious or critically?

Thoughts/

Like a natural immunity kind of thing?

I put this out there because I know a lot of people are doing their best to be informed. Eleventh_Hour shared a video of two California doctors that has since been removed by youtube, thankfully its still available on at least one other platform. One of the points they addressed is how to build and maintian a healthy and strong immune system. Much of what they put forward about mortality rates and the infection rate has been challenged, but I have yet to see anyone taking issue with what they said about what is needed for a heathy immune system.

And what they say in the video is backed up by other material I'm reading. In the video the Doctors assert that sheltering in place as much as possible, constantly washing our hands and disinfecting surfaces in our homes to eliminate as many germs and bacterium as humanly possible....that in doing so we're likely weakening our immune systems. When things eventually (I pray) open back up I want my immune system and that of those close to me...heck of everyone, to be as strong as possible.

Here's the NYT article for which the subject line is the title:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/health/immune-system-allergies.html

Many tests have the potential for false positives and false negatives, for sure the tests are still not that reliable being a new virus.



I do not see how there could be a natural immunity since it is new virus, hopefully those exposed now will have this immunity.

If they have been exposed and not infected mostly like there was not enough of the virus on the surface or in the air, or the virus was
already in a weakened state having been exposed to the elements not able to replicate in the body to cause illness, in those cases they body has not developed a strong immunity yet either and they could still be infected.

There are still too many unknowns with this virus. ... for instance how long the immunity lasts.

There are millions of pathogens in our home, but for sure sanitizing constantly and everywhere is not a good thing.

The reason being is when we do this we are eliminating the helpful bacteria and viruses that help us keep a balance in our gut, skin inside etc.,

Good bacteria eats bad bacteria (very simple analogy) ... this helps keeps a balance.

Amen
Btw God bless you sis

Thanks, there is a mountain of unknowns at this point....less now than in December or January certainly, but its like a 100 ml cup, before we had 2 ml worth of data and now we're up to 20 ml tops....still 80 millitres of unknown.

The reason I asked the question is because of the cases I've seen being reported in warehouses, fulfillment centres and food processing places. From everything I'm reading, and from my own experience being in warehouses....these places are as close to a petri dish as you can find in a lot cases....they're ideal breeding grounds for a virus in my opinion.

Protocols now in place are temp checks at the start of shift....everyone comes in, gets their temp taken....and if there's no temp, in ya go. A temperature is an indication that the body is fighting an infection of some kind....the immune system is working, battling something. But asymptomatic carriers, by definition...no symptoms, they're not showing a fever. I was simply wondering if there might be people out there, who when they come into contact with the virus....enough of it, and strong enough....but they just 'brush it off' more or less, and don't test positive at all.

As you continually point out of course (and accuratley) it is a novel virus.....its new, and there is so much more to learn.

I'm still keeping a close eye on Sweden. Trudeau in early April said that strong measures "could" keep the death toll down to somewhere between 11 and 12 thousand in Canada....but without strong measures that number could climb to 100 thousand, that was based on modelling done by Canada's health offcials apparently.

We know that modelling can be wrong, scientists are not Gods...they do make mistakes. Given that Sweden is about 1/4 the size of Canada, and has chosen NOT to use strong measures....then this modelling would suggest that they should experience about 25,000 deaths....right now they're at a little over 2,500.....so we should get a decent indication about how accurate this modelling is.