This Corona virus pandemic could be the weapon that takes our liberties away , all in the name of saving lives?

The big winner is the vaccine company and doctors.

Follow the money.

But hey I trust them because they would never decieve us over a mere 20 billion dollars.

They do have pure motives right?

They would never use fake numbers and scare tactics right?

They laugh at us.
All the way to the bank

The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. I'm not claiming there is a deadly virus killing millions of people. You are doing that. So show me the proof that there's a virus. (Hint: there is no proof, because there is no deadly virus).

And if you can't see the conspiracy fact in the lies about hospital overflows and cheating with numbers on the media, I don't know that you're in a position to discern anything at all.

This just shows ignorance about the process used for doctors to assign deaths to corona virus, or how (successful) conspiracies work in general.

The hospital adminstrator simply changes the rules for reporting deaths (e.g. if corona virus symptoms (i.e. the same as cold, flu and pneumonia) present but no test, write on the death certificate - "suspected corona", if corona virus symptoms present with test, write on the death certificate - "confirmed corona"). When the stats are compiled, the suspected corona are added to the "confirmed" corona to give the total corona deaths - the doctors weren't involved in the conspiracy, they were "just following orders". The number is inaccurate in terms of providing deaths actually caused by corona, but no doctor is at risk for his licence, and no one has falsified a report. The hospital administrators might invent these rules because more funding is allocated to corona patients than cold, flu or pneumonia patients. So it's better for the hospital, and the hospital admins are just doing what is best for the hospital, not involved in any conspiracy. And remember - by its symptoms, corona is indistinguishable from cold, flu or pneumonia, so nobody is lying.

The one who sets the government funding policy to hospitals is likely not in on it, either. He's just following advice or recommendations from the WHO or other government health authority (which is taking advice from the WHO). It's called compartmentalisation - no one needs to know the reasons behind the orders given, they just follow them. The result is very few need to know the details of the conspiracy.

You did not understand the data at all.
This is not even related.

that’s a good sign world wide it’s at 2% right now, about 3 weeks ago it was at 5% case load of serious/critical, not sure why the numbers are steadily dropping but I’ve been watch everyday today, it’s about 100 per day decline that is a good trend. today there’s been a bigger drop so far about a 200 decline and still dropping.

I think the reason is because of all the mild and asymptomatic cases being identified as testing ramps up. If you look at countries where testing has been robust the pandemic looks far less scary. Iceland with a total population of just 364,134 according to google has confirmed 1,801 total cases of Coronavirus, and just 10 deaths. That's a mortality rate of a 0.55% if my math is right....they've reportedly done over 54,000 tests so if there are unidentified cases, which I assume there are, that would lower the mortality rate even further.

The mild cases and asymptomatic are going up with more testing, but like I mentioned it appears that people who get the virus and are in serious or critical conditions is declining. Maybe it’s the wide range of treatments that the medical field is using right now is helping to reduce the severity of the virus something is effecting how many people are landing in the ICU across the world.

I'm seeing that the global death rate is around 7%.
280K deaths, 4 million cases.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

In my county, near DC, 75% of the deaths have been from the 70 plus category, no deaths below 40 years old. However, there been hospitalizations in all age groups (20% below 40). I think we need to look at the death rate based on age group to be more precise and accurate. If we say the death rate is 1% (which isn't true, it is more 4-5% in my county), the 1% person does not apply to the older group. We make light of the fact that the death rate is about 20-25% in the 80 plus group.

The anti bodies test is revealing the full story, it has already been moving through the general population long before it hit the prisons and retirement homes. DC doesn’t have many cases

14% out of 3,000 randomly tested for antibodies in the state of NY equals to around 3 million in one U.S. state alone who already had the virus and didn’t know it.

What do people think about this video? I think taking Vitamin D supplements might be helpful. People who are older or darker are most likely deficient in Vitamin D.

Zinc helps to counter infections also

I’m a big fan of Ashwagandha

Do note that the death rate (I prefer the term mortality rate, it sounds less harsh).....you're taking this as a % of just the "identified cases"....which every expert I've come across refers to as just the tip of the proverbial iceberg....most seem to think the real case number is at least 10x higher. People who have only very mild symptoms or none at all have no reason to be tested, but they're still cases.

I personally have a not-quite-immediate family member who recovered from Covid, and in our church, one of our member's Dad died of it. His wife also got it, recovered (although not 100%), and now gets to live life without him.

I do not doubt that the numbers are off, and sometimes even deliberately fudged. Which I can also personally attest to. But to say there is no deadly virus is right up there with flat-earth theory.

Interesting, I had read that in Lousiana that blacks only make up about a third of the state's population, but 75% of the states Covid deaths, and likewise in Sweden there's apparently a sizeable Somali community, and deaths among Somalis has been higher than it should be if Covid-19 was universally deadly for all.

I'm with you....but also concerned about what's going on. Yes the Coronavirus is real, and people are dying of Covid-19....but when everything is said and done I believe we're going to find out that mortality rate is somehwere around just 0.2%.....which is worse than the seasonal flu, but not exponentially worse like we've been told.

The reason I'm concerned is that for a virus that only kills 0.2% of those infected.....this reaction is way overdone. It would be like banning all non essential vehicular traffic to minimize traffic fatalities and injuries.

"Sure lets let others die so I can have my freedom, which is really, I want what I want when I want it... and people actually liked your illogical post.

And get your facts straight the common cold does not kill people, your post has no credibility at all.[/QUOTE]"

Kind of rude don't you think?

The common cold can cause complications for people with preexisting health issues the same as any virus if their body is too fragile to endure. Most of the COVID19 deaths are people who were already fragile - COVID19 simply drained their last bit of fight.

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Kind of rude don't you think?

The common cold can cause complications for people with preexisting health issues the same as any virus if their body is too fragile to endure. Most of the COVID19 deaths are people who were already fragile - COVID19 simply drained their last bit of fight.[/QUOTE]

which is the question about the death toll- should a 89 year old diabetic with heart disease who contacted the virus and died be counted as a virus death??

In the interest of balance, let's be fair. If you spread the virus--say, through recklessness--and that causes someone to die who otherwise would have lived, then there is motive to take measures to stop the spread. Without virus: person A lives, with preexisting health conditions. With virus: person A dies. Does not get to see relatives in-person when they die, hardly anybody at their funeral. Your last words are basically to an anesthesiologist who puts you on a ventilator.

There is a problem there. We don't stop the world for influenza, and people die from influenza. And even before Covid, we were always told to wash our hands, not touch our face, don't go to work sick, etc.. If Covid is one order of magnitude worse than influenza, then an increased level of measures to try and stop its spread is warranted. Doesn't mean we stop the entire world over it, stop the meat-packing plants, let the crops out in the fields rot rather than hire seasonal workers, and rush in martial law to "protect" us. But it does mean do more than what we already did for influenza.

Excellent point, and this has been my issue with lockdown measures all along, the overwhelming feeling that the measures are completely out of proportion to the level of the threat.....we've never seen anything like this done to protect human life, ever.

Take Peanut allergies, a serious and life threatening issue. We took steps, in pretty much every school now peanut butter sandwiches or anything with nuts is strictly verboten. But we didn't ban the sale or use of peanuts and nut related products like peanut oil across the board. Other than that its up to individuals and their parents to protect themselves, to read labels and to ask questions in restaraunts.

This novel coronavirus and the Covid-19 illness that can result is so hard to get a handle on though. Reporting seems to be all over the map. In the United States the Federal Government is doling out lots of cash to hospitals that have been hard hit, which lends a c level of logical credence to many anecdotal claims that numbers have been inflated....the more covid patients being treated and the more deaths resulting from the disease can mean more money for a privately run hospital, and who doesn't like extra funding. So, when in doubt, call it Covid....if this is happening it would not surprise me one single bit.

Then there's the whole question of mortality. What's the rate? We're told that the identified cases are just the proverbial tip of the iceberg, that the number of actual infections is likely at least 10x higher than what is typically being identified, and possibly as high as 55x greater based on larger random sampling from places like NYC and California as well as Great Britain.

I'm looking at Iceland, which has 1,802 confirmed cases and just 10 deaths. If those 1,802 cases represent just 10% of the real total then the mortality rate is almost insignificant. Even if the 1,802 is the total actual number of cases (meaning there were no untested asymptomatic carriers in Iceland at all) then the mortality rate is still just 0.55% if my math is right....which is about 5x greater than season flu, but way lower than the 4 to 5% we were told justified putting national economies into a coma.

The sooner things open back up the better in my opinion, but I know that's just my opinion and that others are genuinely afraid about the coming second wave. Obviously governments can take measures to keep people locked down....but there's no way to force people to go back to normal. I think its going to be a long time before a majority of people are at ease with engaging in something like a trip to the mall, or even having people over for an outdoor BBQ for that matter.

Its going to come down to individual responsibility, as with so many things in life. Those who are elderly and/or with health conditions, its going to be up to them to be hyper vigilant, or if they're in a care facility....for the staff to do everything possible to keep them safe. As for those who are younger and otherwise healthy, obviously its not a good idea to visit vulnerable people....I have an 87 year old aunt that I adore and would love to visit....and I will, even if a vaccine isn't developled....but I'll see her outside and I won't get closer than 6'.....

Such a strange time....I just can't wait to get back to church. Streaming an on-line service, rather than bringing me closer to my Lord I find it just annoys me....I can't centre myself sitting in my living or dining room the way I can during worship inside the sanctuary....the beeps and noises, the dog barking....it takes me out of the space I need to be in, and I miss it so much my frustration boils over.