Will the mark alone send a person to eternal damnation?

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Blain

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Where does the Bible say the mark of the beast will be ineffably and unmistakably apparent for what it actually is?

Is this another example of you, a 6, adding
to the 66? You see how easy it is to see who has the mark of the beast.
Because those who belong to God have been warned about it, God always warns his children in advance and not to mention the holy spirit. Have you ever felt a sort of uneasiness about something inside you almost like a dire warning? For instance when I was first saved I was ignorant of the scams people would do with supposed godly things I was up late one night talking with god like I normally do and turned on the t.v. and saw a man selling holy water that heals, back then I was unaware of such scams but I felt a great uneasiness in my mid section about this man I didn't know why but I did. I did research on him and found out he had been scamming people with this in the u.s. was caught and now he does this scam outside the u.s.
The holy spirit warned me even though I knew nothing about such things and in the same way he will never leave us ignorant
 
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There is a manufacturer in the United States that has been producing modern day Guillotines.

And here is a couple whistle blowers (1 from FBI)(1 from CIA)(1 from NSA) claiming the USA has purchased 30,000 Guillotines and they are being kept in storage.

Feb 05, 2015 · Important whistleblowers include: -Ex-FBI leader and head of the Los Angeles FBI Ted Gunderson -Ex-CIA agent Bill Pawelec -Ex-NSA agent A.C. Griffith . The 30,000 modern Guillotines in USA can kill 30 million people in a 10 hour day?! 1 Guillotine can kill about 100 people per hour. 30,000 Guillotines can kill about 3 million people per hour...
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Why does the United States Government need 30,000 modern day Guillotines that have the potential to kill 3 million people per hour?
 

PennEd

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The mark will likely change your dna to align with Satan. That is why you cannot repent of it. Just like we have a new heart, and new Spiritual dna from Jesus, the mark changes your dna permanently as one of Satans children.

The top candidates for a covid19 vaccine all have some form of rna it them. Read about the role of rna relative to dna. Look into the. I’ll and Melinda Gates Foundation funded company Moderna.
 

Blain

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The mark will likely change your dna to align with Satan. That is why you cannot repent of it. Just like we have a new heart, and new Spiritual dna from Jesus, the mark changes your dna permanently as one of Satans children.

The top candidates for a covid19 vaccine all have some form of rna it them. Read about the role of rna relative to dna. Look into the. I’ll and Melinda Gates Foundation funded company Moderna.
I had the same train of thought as for the mark and unrepentant it sounds like conspiracy but it does kind of make sense they have been trying to find a. Way to use the chip as a way to alter dna flaws that cause illnesses like what I have

And they already know how to make sleeper agents without technology but as for biblical truth I have yet to find any evidence
 

Roughsoul1991

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Rev 14:9 doesn’t agree with what you say. Why do believe it’s a package deal.
Why take a mark then? What is the alternative to why would anyone would want it? Because it looks cool? They ain't ignorant to take such a mark. Especially in those days and context.
 
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According to verse 9 it will not.

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,


Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:


Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Knowing the beast's agenda, and worshipping him is before taking the mark of the beast.

For the beast's agenda is there is no personal God to help them, for he does not acknowledge any god, but will exalt himself above all that is called God, or is worshipped.

And mankind's technology and devices can help to achieve peace on earth.

Which 666 is 3 words, Chi Xi Stigma.

And stigma is to stick, prick, punch or incise for recognition of one's ownership, identification, and scar of service to the New Age Christ, the beast.

So the mark is something stuck under the skin, which will be a microchip linked to satellite, to cut down on crime, and if a crime happens they will know who was in the area, and how close a person was to the crime scene, and can find lost people, or whoever they want to find, and things can run smoother, and their chip under the skin can be scanned to make purchases, and whatever information they want.

Which an Air Force jet pilot who had been to China for a while said that the government eventually wants the information about you inside your body.

Which President Trump wants a biometric system in place that can track people land, sea, and air, for people that come to America on temporary visas and do not leave, and they have no way to track them, and 911 could of been avoided, which they wanted it for years but they did not take action, but Trump is taking action.

Concerning the coronavirus they will probably say they tried this, and they tried that of conventional medicine, and it does not work, so they will go with nanotechnology, small computer chips in the body to beat the coronavirus, which can track people, and monitor people during this coronavirus crisis.

For they cannot come right out with it for it would make people believe it was a plan, but it is a plan.

This will cause people to get used to a chip inside them and being tracked, and the chip can be beneficial to help with problems to condition them to take a chip just under the skin with the excuse to fight crime, and find lost people, and help to achieve peace on earth.

When the world agrees to the beast's agenda that it is all about people with no higher authority above them, and take his mark then repentance and salvation are no longer available to the world, and God can put the world down, and end sin on earth.

The vaccine is not the mark of the beast for it is not for the purpose of following the beast, and cut down on crime, but for a virus.
 

cv5

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The mark will likely change your dna to align with Satan. That is why you cannot repent of it. Just like we have a new heart, and new Spiritual dna from Jesus, the mark changes your dna permanently as one of Satans children.

The top candidates for a covid19 vaccine all have some form of rna it them. Read about the role of rna relative to dna. Look into the. I’ll and Melinda Gates Foundation funded company Moderna.
This trans-humanism/DNA meddling theory certainly is plausible IMO. The thing is you cannot be tricked into taking the MOTB, it has to be a conscious willful decision. I also agree that these enforcible vaccinations set a very dangerous precedent. Frankly I do thank God that myself and my wife do not have any children at this point in history. We both agree as do many in our church that this is almost certainly the end times that we are living in today.
 
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the only thing that will even send anyone into oblivion, ashes, is
denying our Creator, our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ,
The Giver and Taker of all we possess...
 
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... the mark of the beast isn’t in the future it’s been around forever.
Probably so, but this time you won't be able to buy and sell without it (Revelation 13:17).
If you want to know what the social economy of the anti-christ will look like just look at China today.
It's here, folks.
 
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the only thing that will even send anyone into oblivion, ashes, is
denying our Creator, our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ,
The Giver and Taker of all we possess...
And I think that's the major component of taking the mark--you must renounce Christ.
 
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Count the number 666 and you’ll see. There is only one way to count a number, count the number of ones, count the number of tens and count the number of hundreds.

There are a couple of ways to do that but one of those counts should stick out like a sore thumb and that’s the one that identifies the mark of the beast.
Has it finally been resolved that the number is actually '666' and not '616'?
 
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The mark will likely change your dna to align with Satan. That is why you cannot repent of it. Just like we have a new heart, and new Spiritual dna from Jesus, the mark changes your dna permanently as one of Satans children.

The top candidates for a covid19 vaccine all have some form of rna it them. Read about the role of rna relative to dna. Look into the. I’ll and Melinda Gates Foundation funded company Moderna.
It does not have to do that.

The 6 trumpets are 6 warnings to the world to repent of their sins, and turn to God, and realize that people cannot achieve peace on earth, but after the 6th trumpet the world does not turn to God so He gives them the man of sin to rule over them.

Which an example is WW1, set up League of Nations, did not turn to God.

WW2, set up United Nations, United Religions.

And that pattern will continue until the world against Islam that is so terrible that the world lost hope for there to be peace on earth, and they turn to the New Age Christ as the solution to have peace on earth.

War breaks out in heaven which Satan is the prince of the power of the air, and the devils are cast to earth, which the earth becomes the habitation of devils, and they deceive all people who do not love God to follow the beast, which is the strong delusion that God will send everyone that does not love the truth.

And when they take the mark of the beast then salvation is no longer available to them, and they have a nature of a devil, in which they have no more choice but to follow the beast.

So there does not have to be any vaccine to change them for they will have the nature of a devil after they take the mark in which they will follow the beast, and no more choice.

So being deceived by a devil in which they cannot resist it will be what will cause them to be aligned to Satan.

Which knowing the beast's agenda, and worshipping the beast is before taking the mark of the beast.

Which the devil is on a leash right now, and the mystery of iniquity does already works, but God allows it to go on until the man of sin is revealed, and what withholds the man of sin claiming to be God is the condition of the world which he will not be revealed until the world is at their worse, which the nations come together and stop the preaching of the Gospel for three and one half years, and then it is the falling away first, when the transgressors have come to the full, and then the man of sin will be revealed, and Satan off his leash concerning the wicked.

Which the vaccine will probably be nanotechnology with microchips in it where they can track people, and monitor people, but it is not the mark of the beast but will prepare the world for the mark.

Which the mark will be the chip stuck under the skin and linked to satellite, a better tracking system to cut down on crime, and find lost people, and things run smoother.

Which President Trump wants a biometric system in place that can track people land, sea, and air, for people that come to America on temporary visas and do not leave, and they have no way to track them, and 911 could of been avoided, which they wanted it for years but they did not take action, but Trump is taking action.

If a person takes the vaccination it is not the mark of the beast for it is only for the virus, and not to worship the beast, and they will probably make everyone get the vaccine, or they cannot be out in public doing the things that people are doing that took the vaccine, and God would want the saints to still be in the world reaching out to them until they no longer allow the preaching of the Gospel, for the when the New Age Christ establishes peace in the Middle East until he claims to be God the world still has repentance and salvation available to them so the saints will remain on earth, and the vaccine will be out by then, so obviously it is not the mark of the beast, and the vaccine will not be the same type of tracking system as the chip being under the skin linked to satellite.
 
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And I think that's the major component of taking the mark--you must renounce Christ.
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very true,
but we can't ever forget that He knows every heart' - some do so by ignorance, and will be forgiven,
but those who do so by 'choice' after 'knowing Him', well, their fate is written in scripture...
 
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Has it finally been resolved that the number is actually '666' and not '616'?
The man of sin is of the occult, and evolution, and believes people are still evolving to be greater and spiritual in which he honors the God of forces, the power of nature.

The occult believes in the power of numbers, and the timing, adding, and grouping of numbers, which they believe will give them more power, and will do things on certain dates that add up to a number they favor.

The number 6 is the number of a man, the soul of man, so the man of sin assigned the number 666 to himself, a triple 6, for he believes it will give him more power through nature to achieve his agenda, and establish his kingdom, and have the most power through nature than his followers.

I do not believe that Jared Kushner is the antichrist but some people believe he is the antichrist, but he is setting things up to go in that direction.

But many people think he is evil, and bought a building at 666 Fifth Avenue, and is senior advisor to President Trump who Trump trusts, and his son in law, and Jared is becoming more involved in things of government, although he has no political, military, or foreign policy experience, and Trump put him in charge of negotiating peace in the Middle East, and he is a long time friend of Benjamin Nentanyahu, and claims to be an Orthodox Jew.

Which the man of sin will negotiate that peace treaty in which Jews and Palestinians both agree to it.
 

cv5

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The man of sin is of the occult, and evolution, and believes people are still evolving to be greater and spiritual in which he honors the God of forces, the power of nature.

The occult believes in the power of numbers, and the timing, adding, and grouping of numbers, which they believe will give them more power, and will do things on certain dates that add up to a number they favor.

The number 6 is the number of a man, the soul of man, so the man of sin assigned the number 666 to himself, a triple 6, for he believes it will give him more power through nature to achieve his agenda, and establish his kingdom, and have the most power through nature than his followers.

I do not believe that Jared Kushner is the antichrist but some people believe he is the antichrist, but he is setting things up to go in that direction.

But many people think he is evil, and bought a building at 666 Fifth Avenue, and is senior advisor to President Trump who Trump trusts, and his son in law, and Jared is becoming more involved in things of government, although he has no political, military, or foreign policy experience, and Trump put him in charge of negotiating peace in the Middle East, and he is a long time friend of Benjamin Nentanyahu, and claims to be an Orthodox Jew.

Which the man of sin will negotiate that peace treaty in which Jews and Palestinians both agree to it.
The man of sin is certainly an individual person. Comparing all of the relevant scriptures and prophecies make this clear.

 

cv5

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It does not have to do that.

The 6 trumpets are 6 warnings to the world to repent of their sins, and turn to God, and realize that people cannot achieve peace on earth, but after the 6th trumpet the world does not turn to God so He gives them the man of sin to rule over them.

Which an example is WW1, set up League of Nations, did not turn to God.

WW2, set up United Nations, United Religions.

And that pattern will continue until the world against Islam that is so terrible that the world lost hope for there to be peace on earth, and they turn to the New Age Christ as the solution to have peace on earth.

War breaks out in heaven which Satan is the prince of the power of the air, and the devils are cast to earth, which the earth becomes the habitation of devils, and they deceive all people who do not love God to follow the beast, which is the strong delusion that God will send everyone that does not love the truth.

And when they take the mark of the beast then salvation is no longer available to them, and they have a nature of a devil, in which they have no more choice but to follow the beast.

So there does not have to be any vaccine to change them for they will have the nature of a devil after they take the mark in which they will follow the beast, and no more choice.

So being deceived by a devil in which they cannot resist it will be what will cause them to be aligned to Satan.

Which knowing the beast's agenda, and worshipping the beast is before taking the mark of the beast.

Which the devil is on a leash right now, and the mystery of iniquity does already works, but God allows it to go on until the man of sin is revealed, and what withholds the man of sin claiming to be God is the condition of the world which he will not be revealed until the world is at their worse, which the nations come together and stop the preaching of the Gospel for three and one half years, and then it is the falling away first, when the transgressors have come to the full, and then the man of sin will be revealed, and Satan off his leash concerning the wicked.

Which the vaccine will probably be nanotechnology with microchips in it where they can track people, and monitor people, but it is not the mark of the beast but will prepare the world for the mark.

Which the mark will be the chip stuck under the skin and linked to satellite, a better tracking system to cut down on crime, and find lost people, and things run smoother.

Which President Trump wants a biometric system in place that can track people land, sea, and air, for people that come to America on temporary visas and do not leave, and they have no way to track them, and 911 could of been avoided, which they wanted it for years but they did not take action, but Trump is taking action.

If a person takes the vaccination it is not the mark of the beast for it is only for the virus, and not to worship the beast, and they will probably make everyone get the vaccine, or they cannot be out in public doing the things that people are doing that took the vaccine, and God would want the saints to still be in the world reaching out to them until they no longer allow the preaching of the Gospel, for the when the New Age Christ establishes peace in the Middle East until he claims to be God the world still has repentance and salvation available to them so the saints will remain on earth, and the vaccine will be out by then, so obviously it is not the mark of the beast, and the vaccine will not be the same type of tracking system as the chip being under the skin linked to satellite.
That is a far too liberal treatment on the topic in my opinion. When it comes to prophecy tight is right!
 

posthuman

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Is it saying that some will receive the mark and not worship the beast? And in that case they can escape eternal damnation? I understood the mark as a form of worship so I'm having trouble wrapping my head around this--not that I've ever studied it in depth so my understanding can be wrong.
i agree with your understanding. i think these things are telling us that the mark has a religious significance. it's associated with worshiping the beast. the beast's government has a religious aspect; i don't think the mark is something as banal as 'having a credit card' or 'getting a flu shot'
 

posthuman

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There is only one way to count a number, count the number of ones, count the number of tens and count the number of hundreds.
no; there are many more ways to count than one ;)

like you said:
There are a couple of ways to do that


even if we're not doing math -- 'with the measure you use' implies numerous measures. which is math, too. :)
 
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I don’t believe it’s the mark of the beast, but apparently, some people do. According to Revelation 13, the mark of the beast will not be something that we are tricked into taking. It will be no accident. We will be well aware of what we are doing when that time comes and refusing to take it will cost us our lives.
The beast causes all to receive his mark in their right hand or their foreheads. If all people take his mark why would Christians knowingly take his mark?

Rev 13:16 (KJV) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: