Not By Works

So are you a second Moses now?

Of course not. Just making a point.

The true church does not have a sign out front with sectarian signage.

but I know you have been fed this stuff ...

Incorrect.

I read the Bible.

Then I compare the happenings around me according to the Bible.

I have been fed nothing but the pure word of God through consistent and constant independent reading.

I have made it my mission, by the grace of God, to reject all of man's words that do not align with scripture; ALL OF THEM!

When I first read the Bible in 2007, and experienced my conversion in 2008, I vowed to myself that I would never be led away from the Bible by any man or any religious system.

Man shall not live on bread alone, but by every word of God.

I am not the only one. But I can see that the Bible is correct in stating that the number of the true faithful ones is few.

Many will seek to enter in, and shall not be able (Luke 13:24).

THERE IS YOUR MISTAKE. DID NOT GOD TELL YOU TO LISTEN TO THIS MEN, BUT YOU MADE UP YOUR OWN MIND.

Ephesians 4:11-13 (HCSB)
11 And He personally gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers,
12 for the training of the saints in the work of ministry, to build up the body of Christ,
13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of God’s Son, ⌊growing⌋ into a mature man with a stature measured by Christ’s fullness.

I believe Jesus is the Christ.....and the rest is a joke coming from you....Eternal security is biblical pal.....your dime store, self maintained, losable salvation on the other hand....no where to be found in scripture!

Kept by the power of God <---still waiting on you to tap dance around that post above deceiver.....!

Again, you are unwisely venturing, presumptuously I might add, into uttering lies.

I follow the word of God, period.

There is not an assembly out there that does this. They all in one respect or another make void different portions of scripture in some way or another.

Proverbs 12:15 (NASB77)
15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, But a wise man is he who listens to counsel.

Incorrect.

I read the Bible.

Then I compare the happenings around me according to the Bible.

I have been fed nothing but the pure word of God through consistent and constant independent reading.

I have made it my mission, by the grace of God, to reject all of man's words that do not align with scripture; ALL OF THEM!

When I first read the Bible in 2007, and experienced my conversion in 2008, I vowed to myself that I would never be led away from the Bible by any man or any religious system.

Man shall not live on bread alone, but by every word of God.

I am not the only one. But I can see that the Bible is correct in stating that the number of the true faithful ones is few.

Many will seek to enter in, and shall not be able (Luke 13:24).

Jesus trained and taught his disciples for several years.

Micaiah-imla's is getting deeper, and deeper into FALSE BELIEF.

I have not made up my own mind.

I have these apostles, prophets, pastors and teachers, that have enabled me to be renewed in the spirit of my mind according to the word of God.

Their names are:

Paul
Peter
John
Jude
Moses
Jeremiah
Ezekiel...etc.

You get the point.

I have the entire Bible.

Thank God we have the New Testament preserved for men in these last days.

I see it differently... I feel like those that teach salvation must be maintained/works are already at the bottom of false belief.

Since you seem to think Paul preached salvation "by works and faith" can you find for me where Paul tells us how many works or how strong our life of obedience needs to be so we can be assured of salvation?

When I read Paul, I read a man who was utterly convinced of his own salvation (saved status) not someone waiting to see if he had done enough works to be allowed into Heaven.

Good question. So how many works must we accomplish and "add" as a supplement to Christ's finished work of redemption in order to help Christ save us? Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed. (Romans 3:24-28) Assurance of salvation is found in Christ and not in self. (1 John 5:11-13)

How many works is enough? Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works. We could never do enough works to merit Heaven.

Yet the Pharisees asked Jesus "who gave you this authority?"

And Jeremiah was being accused of being crazy and making himself a prophet by the false prophet Shemaiah (Jeremiah 29:24-26).

And Paul counted being a Pharisee (to which he got training in) one of the things that he counted as "dung" (Philippians 3:5-7).

Reading the Bible and learning from it is always better than being taught by someone who has turned aside into error.

I came to read the Bible with no prior Church indoctrination (never attended a church, never had a Bible in my home growing up). I learned what I know purely from scripture. And over the years I have met so many professing believers who have either been raised in church, or learned through a church, and they had much error ingrained in their minds. It's hard to talk to this type of person.

Where did Jeremiah in the Old Testament attend?

Where was Elijah sent?

Was there a godly assembly Lot could attend in Sodom and Gomorrah?

How many people entered the ark OUT OF THE ENTIRE PLANET?

Come on mockers, answer! (Generally speaking, not directly addressing you cv5)

We don't have to do anything. We are to let the Spiri
So let me ask you this: Should someone truly repent and receive Lord Jesus Messiah, and subsequently bear fruit in good faith, then backslide into despair through say for example the attacks of Satan, the fruit bearing having also ceased, has God divorced this person leaving them condemned once again?

Even if I am not posting here I am following the thread… sometimes. The thing is we can’t be plucked out of God’s hand but God give us choices to make. Just like with Israel they became His bride, and He said; “nothing can pluck you out of my hand; and I will never leave you or forsake you.”

So if we are obedient He will never forsake us, but He will divorce us if we so choose, that is Biblical.

No amount of arguing can convince me otherwise than:

• God has always been a God of grace.
• No amount of works can get me saved.
• If I get to the feet of the cross my works will change.

Your "opponents" here are basically trying to fit what Paul revealed about the mystery of the grace dispensation, into everything else in the 4 gospels and the book of James.

For example, after they understood Paul, they go back to a verse like John 3:16 or John 6:29 and conclude, "See, Jesus ONLY said to believe in him will have eternal life, he did not say be water baptized, obey the Law, etc etc".

They ignore what Jesus said about keeping the Law elsewhere in the 4 gospels, and also reinterpret what James was trying to tell the Jews in his letter that faith without works is dead, from the perspective of Paul.