Sabbath Obligation?

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The seventh day rest is a shadow of the eternal rest the Lord's Day. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath.
 
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The Sabbath was created at the begining of creation before their were Jews so therefore the Sabbath was created for man, not man for the Sabbath. God's law has never changed even though an Antichrist man changed the laws so that Sunday the day of sun worship was taken on by the rest of the world. Technically we should be worshiping God everyday and whenever we do something we want to do instead of what God wants we are commiting the sin of self worship which is violating the 1st commandment. Thankfully Jesus forgives all sin. Because we sin so much and most of us don't even realize what we're doing, but sometimes we do. It's like Jesus said we know not what we do. Thank God for his mercy and Grace. Being that we have been brainwashed since birth into believe a bunch of lies, it is hard to break out of some habits like Sunday worship. Especially since that's when most churches have services. I do not think it is bad necessarily to worship on Sunday because we are worshiping the true God not some pagan. But I also think God would like it very much if more people would observe the true Sabbath. As he indicates in

Isaiah 58:

13 If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the Lord’s holy day honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words,
14 then you will find your joy in the Lord, and I will cause you to ride in triumph on the heights of the land
and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob.” For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.
Nobody observed the Sabbath until God commanded the Israelites to. It was the observed from that time until Christ established the new covenant and made things known which were not before. We know that we are no longer under the weekly Sabbath by the inspired words of God given to us in Colossians 2:16.
 
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Not contrary to scripture according to Jesus

Matt 19
Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”

17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
That was before the new covenant was established through Christ's death and resurrection.

We dont need to sacrifice animals for our sins, we dont need to wear tassels or phylacteries or do any of the 600+ laws given to Moses to give to the Israelites.
 
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That was before the new covenant was established through Christ's death and resurrection.

We dont need to sacrifice animals for our sins, we dont need to wear tassels or phylacteries or do any of the 600+ laws given to Moses to give to the Israelites.
So some of Jesus' teachings are to be ignored depending on whether He was teaching old or new covenant. I didn't know he taught both. What else did Jesus teach 'before' the new covenant that we should ignore?
 
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So some of Jesus' teachings are to be ignored depending on whether He was teaching old or new covenant. I didn't know he taught both. What else did Jesus teach 'before' the new covenant that we should ignore?
You're right in that my interpretation was first some what wrong.

Barnes commentary on that verse should clear things up:

"Keep the commandments - That is, do what God has commanded. He in the next verses informs him what he meant by the commandments. Jesus said this, doubtless, to try him, and to convince him that he had by no means kept the commandments, and that in supposing he had he was altogether deceived. The young man thought he had kept them, and was relying on them for salvation. It was of great importance, therefore, to convince him that he was, after all, a sinner. Christ did not mean to say that any man would be saved by the works of the law, for the Bible teaches plainly that such will not be the case, Romans 3:20, Romans 3:28; Romans 4:6; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:9; 2 Timothy 1:9. "
 

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I would think that 1 Peter 1 :11 represents that work that did work in the old testaments saints to both will and do the good pleasure of Him. Christ who does work in us according to Job 23 in order perform the things that he appoints to us. He makes our hearts soft.

Not through the ceremonial law that spoke of our bloody husband Christ, the first born, sufferings beforehand. But the end glory the same glory we receive from the beginning. It works in us making our load lighter just as it did in the Son of man, Jesus. Yet Jesus remained without sin

You have not seen Christ, but still you love him. You can’t see him now, but you believe in him. You are filled with a wonderful and heavenly joy that cannot be explained. Your faith has a goal, and you are reaching that goal—your salvation. The prophets studied carefully and tried to learn about this salvation. They spoke about the grace that was coming to you.The Spirit of Christ was in those prophets. And the Spirit was telling about the sufferings that would happen to Christ and about the glory that would come after those sufferings. 1 Peter 1: 8-11

Without mixing faith in what one sees or hears. Mankind will not find rest. Their heart will remain rock hard no life . The gospel of rest.
I asked you where "Sabbath" and "bringing the gospel" are directly associated in Scripture. You haven't provided anything that even remotely links them.
 
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MATT. 19:16.
And, behold, one came and said unto Him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
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And He said unto him, Why call you Me good? there is none good but One, that is, God:
but if You wilt enter into Life, keep The Commandments.
MATT. 24:14.
And this gospel of The Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
 

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Keeping the Sabbath involves not heating your house or using lights or cooking when it's 20-. This helps understand it's not for the worldwide Church today but was geared to the mild climate of OT times.
What is the source of your historic meteorological data to support your claim that the climate in OT times was milder?

Keeping the Sabbath is a little more involved then just keeping the house warm, the lights on, or making a grilled cheese sandwich on the stove.

The thing is, the 4th Commandment regarding the Sabbath is the only commandment with the command "Remember'.

For the record, I really don't keep the Sabbath and I'm not entirely sure that I am required to. Still, that word "Remember' becomes problematic when deciding whether it is still required. Based on what I understand about NT scripture it most likely is not. Regardless, I believe that it is a good spiritual practice to set apart one day a week to focus strictly on the Lord without all of the outside distractions.
 

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How does that work?
God is our creator, God is God! A God does not destroy. Your idea that God destroyed what God created by using a new covenant gives God new characteristics and makes Him a negotiator and not a God. God's characteristic is love, the ten commandments give ways we are to express love and it is holy and cannot be destroyed. Creating the Sabbath was part of our earth's creation and cannot be destroyed. The new covenant gave us ADDITIONS, it gave us the Holy Spirit to communicate with God, before God used rituals He gave us to communicate. It is an addition, and blessing not something that destroyed.

Demons destroy, God doesn't.
 

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The Sabbath of the Lord has , is and will always be the Seventh Day. Your "day of the Lord" is something not mentioned as being the replacement of the Seventh Day gift from God, not ever.

As far as the Day of the Lord, you should pay attention to GAREE, and the Word.

Do not, asy you like to say, work it. It is quite plainly written without your embellishments. May God bless you with His wisdom, understanding and knowledge when sharing His Word.
I concur with your estimation per usual.
 
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You're right in that my interpretation was first some what wrong.

Barnes commentary on that verse should clear things up:

"Keep the commandments - That is, do what God has commanded. He in the next verses informs him what he meant by the commandments. Jesus said this, doubtless, to try him, and to convince him that he had by no means kept the commandments, and that in supposing he had he was altogether deceived. The young man thought he had kept them, and was relying on them for salvation. It was of great importance, therefore, to convince him that he was, after all, a sinner. Christ did not mean to say that any man would be saved by the works of the law, for the Bible teaches plainly that such will not be the case, Romans 3:20, Romans 3:28; Romans 4:6; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:9; 2 Timothy 1:9. "
That young man could look Jesus in the face and say "I have done that" (no easy task) One thing I think, the young man's conscience was clear, at least when he said that. After all if he had never transgressed the commandments he would be the messiah...:giggle:
 
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God is our creator, God is God! A God does not destroy. Your idea that God destroyed what God created by using a new covenant gives God new characteristics and makes Him a negotiator and not a God. God's characteristic is love, the ten commandments give ways we are to express love and it is holy and cannot be destroyed. Creating the Sabbath was part of our earth's creation and cannot be destroyed. The new covenant gave us ADDITIONS, it gave us the Holy Spirit to communicate with God, before God used rituals He gave us to communicate. It is an addition, and blessing not something that destroyed.

Demons destroy, God doesn't.
“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, That I will make a new covenant With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers In the day that I took them by the hand To bring them out of the land of Egypt; Which my covenant they brake, Although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, And write it in their hearts; And will be their God, And they shall be my people.” Jeremiah 31:31–33 (KJV 1900)
 
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What is the source of your historic meteorological data to support your claim that the climate in OT times was milder?

Keeping the Sabbath is a little more involved then just keeping the house warm, the lights on, or making a grilled cheese sandwich on the stove.

The thing is, the 4th Commandment regarding the Sabbath is the only commandment with the command "Remember'.

For the record, I really don't keep the Sabbath and I'm not entirely sure that I am required to. Still, that word "Remember' becomes problematic when deciding whether it is still required. Based on what I understand about NT scripture it most likely is not. Regardless, I believe that it is a good spiritual practice to set apart one day a week to focus strictly on the Lord without all of the outside distractions.
Show it hits 20- and prove your point.
 

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Show it hits 20- and prove your point.
The thing is, it is your point that needs substantiating as it was your claim that the climate in OT times was harsher than it is today. and that is the basis that the Sabbath is no longer in effect. OK, my claim is that the climate in OT times was milder. Per your own standard there is no need to substantiate this.
 
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The thing is, it is your point that needs substantiating as it was your claim that the climate in OT times was harsher than it is today. and that is the basis that the Sabbath is no longer in effect. OK, my claim is that the climate in OT times was milder. Per your own standard there is no need to substantiate this.
So you think the weather is the same in Alaska for SDA's as it is in Jerusalem?
 

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So you think the weather is the same in Alaska for SDA's as it is in Jerusalem?
It is hard to follow your train of thought as you are always veering off on a tangent that is unrelated to either the topic of the OP or certain claims you make about particular things. What in the world does the weather for the SDA in Alaska or Jerusalem have to do with your claim that the climate in OT times was harsher than the current climate in NT times.
 
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So you think the weather is the same in Alaska for SDA's as it is in Jerusalem?
I would think the Bible does not confuse
Climate control with the power of the gospel.

The whole corrupted creation moans as in birth pains for a perfect incorruptible environment. When it comes he will make it perfectly known.

God controls the weather and cerimonial laws
 
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I would think the Bible does not confuse
Climate control with the power of the gospel.

The whole corrupted creation moans as in birth pains for a perfect incorruptible environment. When it comes he will make it perfectly known.

God controls the weather and cerimonial laws
But you freeze to death as an SDA unless you work the system.
 
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It is hard to follow your train of thought as you are always veering off on a tangent that is unrelated to either the topic of the OP or certain claims you make about particular things. What in the world does the weather for the SDA in Alaska or Jerusalem have to do with your claim that the climate in OT times was harsher than the current climate in NT times.
Just sayin, many would freeze to death unless they worked the system trying to keep the Sabbath in the way it calls for.